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Robbie Parry
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Thanks for filling in the blanks, sir, I suspected there was more. It does make a certain sort of sense that a brain like Luthor's (or Doom's) would assume someone had started a fire.
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Trevor Smith
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It's funny, but I had NO IDEA til I started coming here
that there was ever any kind of controversy re: JB's
Superman. I was born in '69, so I read A LOT of 70s
Superman, and I had no problem at all with JB's take.
Even having grown up with the Superman of the 70s, I was
incredibly excited by what JB was doing, and it became
quite possibly my favourite iteration of the character
to date. It literally NEVER occurred to me to complain
about the lack of Kandor, Supergirl/pets, or de-
powering. They were just kickass Superman stories!
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John Byrne
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It's funny, but I had NO IDEA til I started coming here that there was ever any kind of controversy re: JB's Superman. I was born in '69, so I read A LOT of 70s Superman, and I had no problem at all with JB's take. Even having grown up with the Superman of the 70s, I was incredibly excited by what JB was doing, and it became quite possibly my favourite iteration of the character to date. It literally NEVER occurred to me to complain about the lack of Kandor, Supergirl/pets, or de-powering. They were just kickass Superman stories!•• Most of the things people complained about had already happened in CRISIS. I think a segment of fans were hoping they could basically ignore that, until I made the changes retroactive. Then they had a focus of their ire. But, as I said at the time, if one has been reading Superman so long that something that happened forty years before is cause for great consternation when it is changed, it's time to seek a new hobby!
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Robbie Parry
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I think SUPERMAN VOL. 2 #9 is still my highlight of that period. I had never seen Superman interact with Joker prior to that (I did later learn there had been some confrontations). When I saw the Clown Prince of Crime in a Superman issue...wow.
Cross-pollination is something I've always been a fan of.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Because it can't be said often enough: MOS worked because John stayed true to the character of Superman. A lot around him changed, for better or worse (depending on your point of view), but Superman himself was easily recognisable.
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Sean Watson
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JB's take on Superman is also my favorite of the character.
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Wallace Sellars
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I can't remember… Did Lex Luthor ever do anything to get back at the mayor
for ordering his arrest?
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Stephen Churay
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JB's Superman run was my way into the
character, as far as comics are concerned.
I had known the character from cartoons,
tv and film. I knew the he came from
Krypton, grew up in Smallville, and
worked at the Daily Planet with Lois,
Jimmy and Perry.
I walked into a story that takes place in
Kandor with Nightwing and Flamebird, with
Clark working at a tv station. I was
lost.
JB, gave me the character I knew.
I often think that publishers today are
kidding themselves on what they think a
new reader will accept, as to what they're
actually willing to accept.
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Robbie Parry
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I enjoyed the Clark Kent moments as much as the Superman moments in MOS. All due respect to what came before, Clark Kent often felt like he was there simply to pass the time until Superman was needed; with MOS, the Clark scenes felt crucial rather than an afterthought.
That isn't meant to sound like a criticism of pre-MOS Superman. Perhaps there were editorial reasons or the in-house style was simply to have the civilian identities there to get the story moving along, but I much prefer the likes of Lee/Ditko's Spider-Man and Mr Byrne's MOS in how they gave the spotlight to the civilian identities.
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Charles Valderrama
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JB's Superman was, as he's mentioned before, accessible to a first-time reader. Each issue was an easy 'jumping on point' and the added plus was exceptional artwork, great storytelling and all the characters looked on-model. You knew who everyone was at a glance.
-C!
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Ted Pugliese
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John, do you know which covers or pages were in fact
inked by Dick Giordano himself, or are you able to
provide a few examples for sure? At first, your DC inks
seemed very different from your Marvel inks, which we
were used to, but in retrospect, Giordano's inks over
your pencils seems like a perfect combination,
especially when one considers how well his inks went
over Neal's pencils, but I want to make sure I'm looking
at the right stuff. Thank you.
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Steven Ely
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With all due respect to the original canon
*****
The "new" Luthor in The Man of Steel by JB was a restoration of Luthor as a manipulative, scheming conman, red haired, first meeting Clark/Superman as an adult, etc.
Siegel and Shuster's original Luthor met Superman as an adult and hated Superman because he's powers were a threat to his evil schemes in Action Comics #23 (1940) "Europe at War" written by Jerry Siegel and art by Joe Shuster, reprinted in Superman Chronicles vol. 3. In his first appearance Luthor was a red-haired manipulative conman. Luthor had conned the nations of Galonia and Toran into a war as Luthor's ploy to have both nations destroy each other, preparing to make himself "supreme master of the world". And Luthor must have been extremely wealthy since Luthor had a complex of buildings held aloft by a giant dirigible high above Earth in the stratosphere. Luthor art by Joe Shuster from Superman #5 (1940), adult, red haired and wearing a business suit. 
Luthor originally went from red haired to bald in "Pawns of the Master" (October, 1940) written by Jerry Siegel with art by Wayne Boring in the Superman daily newspaper comics strip reprinted in Superman: The Dailies 1939-1942, and in the comic book with Superman #10 (1941) "The Invisible Luthor" written by Jerry Siegel and art by Leo Nowak reprinted in Superman Chronicles vol. 6. There was no in-story explanation for his baldness, no references to it, and no blaming Superman for it.
I also see a classic Wayne Boring, Dick Sprang '50s Luthor art influence on the way JB drew Luthor bald, heavyset and wearing the business suits.
Luthor art by Wayne Boring from Superman #110 (1957). These scans are from the Great Superman Book (1978) by Michael Fleisher.
JB included Michael Fleisher among the acknowledgments of influences in The Man of Steel collected book TPB:
Edited by Steven Ely on 08 July 2016 at 12:43pm
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