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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 1631
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 8:07am | IP Logged | 1
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I miss how the contribution of the inker impacted how the pencils looked... it was a real collaboration.
It's a shame how the mentality behind pencils has changed so much; monthly comics should have stable creative teams to encourage readers to stick around!
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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 8:09am | IP Logged | 2
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I'm imaging those Joe Madureira pages with high contrast, rich dark lines, and limited palette. I'm sure they'd look great!
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133324
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 8:11am | IP Logged | 3
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I miss how the contribution of the inker impacted how the pencils looked... it was a real collaboration. •• Strangely enough, it was rarely a true collaboration. Joe Sinnott told me it was years after they "worked together" that he met Jack Kirby for the first time. Terry Austin and I rarely communicated when we were "teamed" on X-MEN. Mostly it was guys working at home, miles, even states apart. And often the penciler was not at all happy with what the inker did. (Kirby was notoriously dissatisfied with Vinnie Colleta's inks.)
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 31178
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 8:12am | IP Logged | 4
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As were many pencillers, I'm sure.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 12:30pm | IP Logged | 5
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The comic art market hasn't made this any better. I think some pencilers see doing the work for publication as secondary to being able to sell the pages. Because of that, they are creating super tight pencils to increase the page value.
As to the colors, PS is a tool. It requires a good colorist to use it, and not one looking to make his or her own statement. Just serve the artwork. And, know the artist you're coloring, I think helps too. There's artists out there who's work is served well by modern coloring techniques. Some artists' work look better with flatter coloring. Generally, I think older artists (prior to the Image generation) look better with colors that are more flat.
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Steven Legge Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 866
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 4:19pm | IP Logged | 6
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It looks like those pencils were super-tight for a stylistic reason, they weren't going to be inked.
This image looks much better than the one above, which looked like blue mud.
Edited by Steven Legge on 23 June 2016 at 4:21pm
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 4:24pm | IP Logged | 7
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Ugh, too much blue.
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James Howell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 September 2012 Location: United States Posts: 363
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Posted: 23 June 2016 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 8
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Ugh, too much blue.
Exactly! Nothing stands out, the blues are too similar.
Plus, my scans are from the actual book, not from the web.
You have to color for print, not for a computer screen, if you don't, everything will be muddy, especially without blacks.
Every art teacher I've ever had always said, "Make sure your blacks stand out!"
Whether it was Life Drawing, or Cartooning/Comics, it didn't matter.
You want CLARITY in your work.
Frank Frazetta...
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133324
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 4:49am | IP Logged | 9
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Ah, Frazetta! When he was good, he was very, very good, and when he was bad he was still better than almost anybody else!(That first piece is amusing. Eowyn vs the King of the Nazgûl. Not QUITE how Tolkien imagined it, I suspect. Especially since she was passing herself off as a man at that point!)
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Jan Bentzen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 May 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 78
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 2:03pm | IP Logged | 10
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This is how you colour comics - done by a fan "David" - I´m afraid Marvel wont use it in the MOKF Omnibus vol. 2.
Gulacy.com / art galleries / Marvel / MOKF # 40.
(Sorry - no idea how to post this otherwise)
Edited by Jan Bentzen on 24 June 2016 at 2:30pm
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Tim Cousar Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1666
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 2:45pm | IP Logged | 11
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Here's a link, Jan.
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Jan Bentzen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 June 2016 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | 12
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Thanks Tim.
This is my favorite Paul Gulacy issue of all time - and this is how the colours should be handled. No dull reprint colours like Marvel uses, and no shining computer colouring that normally ruins a comic. (Like in the Dark Horse reprints of Conan by Barry Windsor-Smith)
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