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Dave Phelps
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I'm agree with most of what Brubaker said (well, to varying degrees anyway) but someone saying he quit WFH over "tiring of endless events and stunts and reboots" when he's the one who took on the Captain America assignment so he could bring back Bucky strikes me as kind of hypocritical.
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Rick Whiting
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I'm agree with most of what Brubaker said (well, to varying degrees anyway) but someone saying he quit WFH over "tiring of endless events and stunts and reboots" when he's the one who took on the Captain America assignment so he could bring back Bucky strikes me as kind of hypocritical.
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It's even more hypocritical when you realize that in addition to bringing Bucky back that the first 35 issues of his Captain America run was riddled with endless events and stunts. Like being another relaunch with a new #1 with multiple variant covers,the killing off of Nomad,the crossover with Civil War,the death of Captain America,and Bucky becoming the new Captain America. It's all fine and dandy when he is allowed to leave "his mark" on a company owned character, but it's intolerable and unacceptable when he has to do what the owners of said corporate character ask him to do. And this ladies and gents is what's wrong with many fans turned pro.
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Michael Roberts
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QUOTE:
It's even more hypocritical when you realize that in addition to
bringing Bucky back that the first 35 issues of his Captain America run
was riddled with endless events and stunts. |
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Which is why he got burned out on it....
I'm sorry, but I find all these criticisms bizarre. He's acknowledging the
nature of company-owned characters. He's not complaining that they
should be done differently. He stating that he's moved on from them as
both a reader and a writer. MORE fans and writers need to be doing
this, so that superhero comics can bring in new fans.
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Dave Phelps
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Rick Whiting wrote:
| Like being another relaunch with a new #1 with multiple variant covers,the killing off of Nomad,the crossover with Civil War,the death of Captain America,and Bucky becoming the new Captain America. |
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Most of those I wouldn't ding him for. The new #1 could easily have been imposed on him (and even if it wasn't the previous Cap series was only at #32 anyway); I don't think that particular #1 had any variants nor did most of his run; Nomad's death was annoyingly pointless (esp. before Brubaker realized he'd need to do a fill-in issue (#7) and decided to make it a "Last Nomad Story"), but I don't think it was played up enough to be considered "an event"; going along with an event (Civil War) is hardly the same thing as instigating one; and the "Death of Captain America" was supposed to be a lot shorter before marketing got involved (not that he minded in the long run).
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William Costello
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I just finished the Ed Brubaker - Conversations series from University Press of Mississippi (edited by Terrence R. Wandtke). After reading the UMiss book, I'm not at all surprised by Ed's comments on his blog post. Brubaker is principally interested in the crime / detective / suspense genre, and has been well before he wrote Gotham Central, Catwoman, Captain America etc.
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Andrew Bitner
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Creatives who do work-for-hire should know (and be okay with knowing) that they have these characters "on loan" from the company that owns them. Comic books are an ongoing story, more akin to animation than the soap operas they resemble (in terms of plot and pacing), and the characters must remain within striking distance of their original selves.
Characters don't need to be stuck in amber, but neither should they age from preteen sidekick to twentysomething ex-sidekick overnight, to take but one example.
The creators who forget this do so at their own risk, and that of the characters.
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Joe Smith
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I find that tricky when WWII was so long ago. I just accept that CA was
frozen in ice, and that Bucky aged.
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James Woodcock
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For me, Brubaker will forever be the man who destroyed Charles Xavier. And for that, I really do not like the man.
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