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Rodrigo castellanos
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You don't like how Brubaker writes mainstream superhero comics. Brubaker himself doesn't want to anymore so he quits. For the last 5 years he's been doing his own stuff, seems quite happy about it and says he doesn't wish Marvel or DC no ill will.
Excuse me but what's exactly the problem here?
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Stephen Churay
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I have no problem with writers and artists
creating superhero or other comics that
get into more adult content. If you want
to write a comic about a female superhero,
who sidelines as a prostitute, go for it.
I'm just so tired of writers taking
characters created for adolescent kids and
perverting them into something they want
to continue there own hobby. Then, taking
so long to tell these types of stories. If
you've been writing a book for two years
and only told two stories, all you've done
is bore the audience. Then, when they
leave the book, they're leaving a broken
character that no one wants to fix, they
just break it some more.
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Andy Mokler
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Ed Brubaker on why he quit superhero comics:
I can see the hooks coming, and I know where all the stories will eventually end up. The good guys will win and all will be right with the world, until next month.
This just leaves me speechless. THIS is a "good" writer?
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Michael Roberts
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I can see the hooks coming, and I know where all the stories will
eventually end up. The good guys will win and all will be right with the
world, until next month.
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This just leaves me speechless. THIS is a "good" writer?
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What exactly leaves you speechless? Superhero comics /should/ be
about the good guys winning and the illusion of change. Do you think
the bad guys should win and the status quo be permanently wrecked?
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Stephen Churay
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Brubaker's comment about "seeing the hooks
coming" is explaining why he doesn't read
superhero books anymore. In his defense,
as a reader, when you're old enough to
notice this, it probably is time to move
on. That's how it's supposed to work.a you
very reader, especially one that's not a
writer, shouldn't see them.
My confusion about the comment is,
superhero comics, in large part, haven't
been written that way in at least 10
years. Most of the time, either the bad
guys do win, or if the good guy wins, the
cost is terrible and the status quo is
never to be seen again. I'm not sure what
he's reading.
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Eric Sofer
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I hope Bucky is still dead, and "Winter Soldier" is a hoax. (It's probably not a dream or an imaginary tale.)
Look, in a universe with Immortus and Kang as super villains (are they still separate entities?), it's not hard to imagine a fake Bucky becoming a stupid Winter Soldier character. I mean... if you take Bucky out of the storyline, does Winter Soldier make a whole lot of sense?
And now that Marvel has done their "Crisis on Infinite Earths", anything could change. 'Sides, think how well a "The Winter Soldier - FRAUD!" storyline would sell... and what else matters to Marvel?
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Joe Smith
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They ARE there to sell books, and I have loved comic books since I
was a small child. i still do. One would have to believe that if Marvel
wanted Bucky to be put "back in the box" at the end of Ed's run, they
would have told him to do as such.
I thought the rule at Marvel was that each character is six years past
his own origin or something like that? If this is the case, then, yes, we
the readers have been immersed in missing Bucky for 50 years, but,
the captain himself is only six years removed from that tragic day.
Bucky means more to him than he does to us, so again, I think the
storyline works as a passion play to get your best friend back.
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Andy Mokler
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What exactly leaves you speechless? Superhero comics /should/ be
about the good guys winning and the illusion of change. Do you think
the bad guys should win and the status quo be permanently wrecked?
I agree. That's what bothered me about Brubaker's comments. That he quit because he apparently wasn't interested in the good guys winning or getting back to the status quo.
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Michael Roberts
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I agree. That's what bothered me about Brubaker's comments. That
he quit because he apparently wasn't interested in the good guys
winning or getting back to the status quo.
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That's not what he said. He was explaining that was why he wasn't
interested as a reader, and he was talking about the predictability and
repetitive nature of the stories. He moved on. That's what readers were
supposed to do, before Marvel and DC started catering to older
readers.
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Joe Smith
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Good for him. I'm sure he will still read them when a great artist/writer (in that order) team is gaining momentum.
By the way, has anyone seen the recent SUPERMAN/WONDER WOMAN issue with art by Jorge Jiminez? Man, is he good!
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Rick Whiting
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You guys need to listen to this interview with comic book writer Alex Simmons (creator/co-creator of Blackjack and the DC hero Orpheus). Unlike Brubaker, he gets it. He understands that writers should respect the IP characters that they write and should try to tell the best stories that they can tell. Here's a link to the long video interview. At the 29 minute mark is where he discusses respecting IP characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3zF6ZCyoJY
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Eric Jansen
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Brubaker's "hook" comment sounds stupid, which I don't understand since he wrote 8 years of an incredible run on CAPTAIN AMERICA where he respected the character and didn't "break the toys." (Yes, he was there for the death of Cap, but we knew that was temporary. And it gave a chance for the best story example of a former kid sidekick taking over for his deceased mentor which, it could be argued, was a story that should be told...once.)
I think he meant to say that comics (like any good story) shouldn't be predictable and he just used a bad example to make his point.
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