But you may have seen that when he was able to, John kinda "destroyed" the suit, or made it black

Smart move

I'm showing both the pencil and the inked piece 'cause I like both of them

Okay.  To be fair, NO ONE is as bad as Liefeld.  Perhaps I go too far.  And I will not go so far as to say I "hate" anything Mr. Romita Jr. has done.  But my lack of appreciation has caused me to drop titles he has done (most exceptionally Uncanny X-Men which at that time, was tied with Fantastic Four as my very favorite).

I will also say this:  the pencils above look far better to my eye than the inked final product.  The pencils remind me of mid-80's Frank Miller and if that is the case, I can understand that.

I have a hard time expressing exactly what it is about JRJr's work that doesn't work for me but I will express it as best as I can.  I recently watched some of my children play a videogame called "Minecraft."  The characters are very blocky almost like Legos.  They obviously do not appear real.

This is kind of how I feel when viewing JRJr's work in comics.  Things feel blocky.  Like they are made of Legos.  And the facial expressions are difficult for me to differentiate.

Now as for the martyr thing.  Okay.  Perhaps I laid it on a little thick.  I apologize.  I do not mean to be facetious.  But I felt as if I in anyway dared to criticize the man, I could not.  I hesitated quite a while before posting.  I value this forum and enjoy participating in it.  I did not want to go overboard and break any rules.  I don't think I did.  But I also wanted to engage in what appeared to be a one-sided conversation.

Who knows, for a long time I did not appreciate Joe Kubert's work and I couldn't understand people who loved him.  He was just too loose.  Then one day I "got it."

Maybe that will happen someday with Junior.  That being said, I always admired the steady consistency and simplicity of Senior's work.

JRjr does it so well