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Conrad Teves
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Ok, fair enough. But reading that article, the decline of print Manga in favor of Digital is hardly "The Death of Manga." As usual, the rubric is a click-bait exaggeration. Print media of all forms is in decline. Digital will likely never completely supplant print, but it has a lot of advantages that can keep the industry afloat, even reinvigorate it. For one, the per copy print costs are effectively ZERO and converge on it with large sales. There's no stock to keep or ship, etc. Personally, I really like that I can have a vast comic (and book!) collection with me as long as I bring my tablet.
Note the bit about the rise of Self-Publishing too. From a creative standpoint, this is a tremendous wellspring of genuinely new material. The creative personal viewpoint--y'know: ART.
Please note, I have a tremendous personal bias toward my last paragraph.
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Michael Roberts
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As usual, the rubric is a click-bait exaggeration.
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Well, the article does acknowledge their headline is an exaggeration.
It also says that the most popular genres of digital manga over cellphones are porn and romance, so I don't think it's a matter of the Shonen Jump readers switching from print to digital.
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Chuck Wells
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In all honesty, most of the morons who want to take issue with anything John Byrne has to say, seem to forget that he reserves his comments for this private fan forum. He doesn't go out and post bile all over the web. Those trolls seek him out knowing what his responses will possibly be, and he has never made a secret out of his stated industry positions. The points usually being made about his remarks rest precariously upon a sea of pinheaded people who apparently need to feel that the revisionist stuff that they enjoy needs such validation. That does not seem healthy to me!!
Edited by Chuck Wells on 03 July 2015 at 5:27am
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Shawn Kane
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We were discussing the post-Secret Wars Marvel at my LCS on Wednesday and a lot of people in the store aren't enthusiastic about it.Go to the store's Facebook page, where the owner (who is not enthusiastic about it either) posts the week's comic book news, and the majority of people commenting are down right stoked for the relaunch. It's a perfect example of how the industry operates, everyone I talk to in my LCS may hate the current run of Captain America but Axel Alonso does an interview online and claims the world loves the book and it's more popular than ever. On a personal note, I love Captain America and I love Falcon but I refuse to read Fal-Cap and Steve "Get Off Of My Lawn" Rogers. I tried and it doesn't appeal to me (comic book message boards would say I don't like it probably because I'm racist).
There's been a steady decline in Marvel's sales at my LCS. I've continued to buy Marvel here and there based on what I like but I can honestly say even the small number of titles I have been buying will dwindle with this relaunch. The owner says that as long as Axel Alonso is EIC of Marvel, I probably shouldn't get my hopes up for anything to change. I feel Alonso tries to woo the Image crowd with "hey we let creators create here at Marvel" and they hire independent creators, people who work in the television and motion picture industry, and "celebrities" to write their comics. It sees, now more than ever, the name under the title is more important to Marvel than the title itself.
Edited by Shawn Kane on 03 July 2015 at 5:58am
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Kip Lewis
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Thinking about how the potential audience has changed
from when I was a kid until now, I started thinking
about music.
The music I grew up in the 70s is only played on
oldies stations now. When I was a kid, the music of
my parents' generation still showed up in movies and
on oldies stations, but that wasn't what we kids
wanted. We may have enjoyed Elvis, but that wasn't the
singers the kids talked about in school. That
probably wasn't were their money was going.
Music keeps changing. And we can't say it is because
the singers aren't here to sing those 50s songs or
those disco 70s songs; because there are new people
who can sing the old way. But how many artists can
make a superstar career out of singing 70's style
disco songs today?
Music industry understands that they have to keep
experimenting with new sounds and accept that today's
superstars are tomorrow's oldies' station songs.
I think the comic industry forgot that. I wonder if
the problem with the comic industry in America is not
breaking the "on-model" super-hero stories, but that
that is all there is. Even in the 70s, we could get
war comics, romance comics, humor comics, etc., and
most of those we could get from Marvel and DC. But
when the industry decided that super-heroes were the
only market to focus on, they lost the ability to
respond to the audience wanting a different kind of
comic book. Even when the rare non-super-hero title
shows up, it is drowned out by the super-heroes.
Maybe that's why manga struck such a cord in the US.
A) it wasn't their parents' Disco music and B) it
wasn't super-heroes. They could read other genres.
Maybe all this reworking the super-hero comic industry
is like a record producer who only sells disco music
and thinking they can repackage it over and over
again, even to the point that many old fans are
disgusted by it.
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Greg Woronchak
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claims the world loves the book and it's more popular than ever.
Yup, the internet allows all sorts of creative spinning (often more entertaining than the actual plots in a typical comic these days).
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John Byrne
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It's a perfect example of how the industry operates, everyone I talk to in my LCS may hate the current run of Captain America but Axel Alonso does an interview online and claims the world loves the book and it's more popular than ever.•• CAPTAIN AMERICA is currently selling more than 300,000 copies per month? That's fantastic news.
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John Byrne
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Hey, Dan Slott and I are FEUDING! I read it on the InterNet, so it must be true!
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Steven Legge
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For a second there I thought I read you were Freuding. That's a totally different rumor altogether.
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Steve Coates
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I was in a supermarket (grocery) yesterday and needed a greeting card, which happens to be in the magazine/book isle. Recalling this thread and related topics I perused the available selection with special attention to kid's fare. No comics whatsoever, only Archie digest at the checkout counter.
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Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
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Gossip monger Rich Johnston "strikes" again. I imagine (the stuff of nightmares, to be sure) that he has been practically drooling over the exchanges between JB & Mr. Slott...
Nothing has changed (SURPRISE) as Mr. Johnston once again picks & chooses the quotes (mostly out of context) to further his negative agenda.
It's too bad, really. Mr. Johnston is taking time away from his own career to gossip... Oh, wait...
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Matt Reed
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First thing I thought when I read this thread was that good ol' Rich now has a week's worth of stories. Some things never change.
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