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Eric Ladd
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Peter Parker, CEO will have trouble mustering the courage to ask his assistant out on a date, trouble making releases for his up and coming product, trouble gaining acceptance with his CEO peers at the local country club, etc. etc. However, he will escape his daily mishaps by putting on his costume and showing that Spider-Man has taken leave of crime fighting to work as a body guard? The most interesting thing to me is the potential new settings all over the world. I can think of other ways to get Spider-Man to Shanghai, San Fran and London.
Just my two cents, but if Quentin Beck, Mysterio, went all tycoon with "Beck Industries", spanning the globe and impersonating Spider-Man to draw Peter into fights all over the world I would be more interested in the story. Well, let's not flesh this out too much, but I'm more interested in seeing an underdog overcome adversity than to see a corporate executive deal with his own adversity. I've known many people that owned their tech companies and there is no time to be Spider-Man if your running a company. But maybe Peter finds a way.
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Antonio Diniz
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Dan Slott wrote:
I think there are excellent stories that go that tested and true route.
And along with those are so many more hues to that dichotomy, things that Stan, Steve, John Sr., and all the greats added and enhanced to that core dynamic.
Sometimes it's fun to see a happy Peter Parker, that guy who gives a wink to Betty Brant as they're hiding under the desk. Or a Pete who's beaming because he pulled a trick on Flash Thompson-- or finally scored a point on Jonah. And sometimes being Spider-Man is a grim responsibility that he MUST stick to-- the thing that is NOT an escape, but an intrusion into his small patch of happiness.
It doesn't have to be either/or. It can be a wide canvas with lots of different variations.
But yeah, sometimes real life is getting him down, and throwing on that costume and swinging through the sky is the best thing ever! |
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Agreed. During down times, it's fun to swing through the concrete canyons–and it beats taking a cab or riding a bike to work–but, as often as not (or more often than not), being Spider-Man is more of a hindrance to his life than a happiness. It all ultimately comes down to "with great power comes great responsibility."
Edited by Antonio Diniz on 01 July 2015 at 11:52am
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John Byrne
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What grade/age would Parker ideally be if he perpetually stayed in high school? ; •• Sixteen.
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John Byrne
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But I do know that Thor is now Jane Foster.+++ Not really. It's that Jane Foster is now Thor. •• Potato/potato.
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Josh Goldberg
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I was going to say that it's like all the old "What if...?" comics have become the mainstream, ongoing continuity.But I'm afraid it's not like that. It is that.
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Adam Hutchinson
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QUOTE:
Again, I'd say give the first issue of the
all-new AMAZING SPIDER-MAN a fair read and see it for
what it actually is before you label it "fundamentally
changed". Peter Parker's character will be shining in
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Dan, I came back to Spider-Man with "Brand New Day"
after leaving because JMS' run wasn't to my taste.
You and your co-writers brought Spider-Man, for me,
back to what I gravitated to when I would steal my
older brother's copies of the Roger Stern run, and
that's continued right through to Secret Wars (Renew
Your Vows has been fun too). I say that because I
know there is a lot of teeth gnashing over the state
of current comics, some of which I agree with and some
I don't, but your Spider-Man (and Surfer) run are good
comics, and to me, you "get" both those characters.
Peter is still Peter with occasionally different
window dressing.
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Mark Haslett
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Dan: You own a comic shop. Reality time: How many Marvelites would
spontaneously combust if Marvel did a hard reboot and 616 Peter were
back in high school? Eagerly awaiting an honest answer. ;-)
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If the answer were 100K, there wouldn't be anyone left, would there?
That's what makes this whole conversation silly to me. Anyone at Marvel
speaking today of "new young readers" or "Marvelites" as if these things
matter is like Civil War reenact-ers believing they are really fighting the
Civil War.
There isn't enough of the comic industry that started Spider-Man left. All
this tinkering with the characters appears to be grown up fans-turned-
pro finally getting to do the kinds of stories they thought would be cool
back when they were fans. It's hard to see how these stunts are actually
the kind of character-preserving care-taking that should be going on
from one generation of pros to the next.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 01 July 2015 at 12:09pm
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Dan Slott
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"...your Spider-Man (and Surfer) run are good
comics, and to me, you "get" both those characters.
Peter is still Peter..."
Thanks, Adam.
"Potato/potato."
A little. But it is a difference. Thor Odinson is still an active character in both the THOR title and in the Marvel Universe. Jane Foster is the worthy one wielding the power of the God of Thunder and assuming the title of Thor.
In MAN OF STEEL you crafted an excellent moment where Clark/Superman talks about his own identity and how he sees himself.
Sometimes it's "potato/potahto", and sometimes it's "chicken or the egg". :)
How many people here think of Bruce Wayne as Batman... or that he's Batman who's sometimes Bruce Wayne... Or that it's silly and he's really both?
Different fans do have different views on the subject. I don't think it's a right/wrong thing all the time. It's just different fans with different takes.
Edited by Dan Slott on 01 July 2015 at 12:14pm
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Brandon Pennison
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I agree. It used to piss me off that so many people didn't like comics the way I did in the shop, but I came to realize that many people's tastes were influenced long after my personal "Golden Age" of comics was. So what turned me off to collecting (early 90s) was what jump started a great many people into comics that are still collecting today. Likewise, my fondness for the Black Costume Spider-Man is due to me starting to collect right when this hit in 1984. I am sure many thought it was an abomination to take him out of his red and black/blue costume, but I loved both and still do.
Comics have always been about change, even if it didn't seem that way. Prices, acceptable content, art styles, logos, characters getting married or having children or graduating were all a part of Stan Lee's Marvel. Kirby changed costumes all the time. Adapting to that change is what has made comics last, no matter how that is perceived today. The movies are proof of that, regardless of what version we think is right. It is not a black and white issue when it comes to what version is the definitive version of a character, no matter how that pisses some of us off.
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Jason Larouse
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You own a comic shop. Reality time: How many Marvelites would
spontaneously combust if Marvel did a hard reboot and 616 Peter were
back in high school? Eagerly awaiting an honest answer. ;-)
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I honestly don't think it would be any worse than the reaction that One More Day got, and they got over that.
(well some people still complain about it but it didn't really have any kind of long term effect on the comics sales)
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Stephen Robinson
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DAN: In MAN OF STEEL you crafted an excellent moment
where Clark/Superman talks about his own identity and
how he sees himself.
Sometimes it's "potato/potahto", and sometimes it's
"chicken or the egg". :)
How many people here think of Bruce Wayne as Batman...
or that he's Batman who's sometimes Bruce Wayne... Or
that it's silly and he's really both?
SER: I suppose it's a matter of how we view "change." A
lot of what's been pointed out as examples -- the
Batman, as drawn by Neal Adams, who was the "dark knight
detective" vs. the Batman, as drawn by Dick Sprang, who
fought aliens or even the Weisinger Superman vs . JB's
Superman -- only pop as different to longtime fans. I
can pick up a 1964 Batman comic and recognize it as "new
look" compared to one ten years earlier, but could the
average person on the street?
JB's Superman ultimately was Clark Kent who worked for
the Daily Planet and came from Krypton. That basic
description was the same for most of his history. You
could even scale it back more -- Clark Kent is a
reporter --and that would still include his TV days.
So, when my Dad, who might have read a 1960s Superman
comic, flipped through one of JB's that I had as a kid,
I don't think he would have noticed anything drastically
different. That's not the case for so many of the
characters today -- Spider-Man specifically. The rough
analogy I'd make is if my Dad noticed me reading a JB
Superman and said, "Hey, wasn't he a teenager who lived
with his parents?" That's how far Spider-Man has
"changed." That's why there's this big question as to
"what" Spider-Man you'll get in other media. And most of
the films tend to start with Spider-Man in high school.
It's almost funny to think that a 19-year-old has been
cast to play this "classic" version of the character who
hasn't been that character for the entirety of the
actor's existence.
I've long stated, though, that I think a comic can be
well-written but off model. That's just my personal
opinion, and I respect that the current market might
disagree with me. To use my BUFFY analogy, some of the
best stuff out there might read like some of the best
episodes from BUFFY seasons 4,5, and 6 (Buffy goes to
college! Buffy's mom dies! Buffy learns to be a grown up
and has to get a real job to support her kid sister).
But if BUFFY were a comic-book property, I'd strongly
advocate against that type of change -- she stays in
high school, Giles is her Watcher, her mother is alive,
Cordelia can be superficial but has untold depth... and
so on.
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Dan Slott
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"I honestly don't think it would be any worse than the reaction that One More Day got, and they got over that."
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
Sorry. But that's the BEST one I've heard ALL day! :-D
Edited by Dan Slott on 01 July 2015 at 12:38pm
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