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Eric Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 October 2013 Location: United States Posts: 2366
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Posted: 11 June 2015 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | 1
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Popular characters like SUPERMAN, BATMAN, SPIDER-MAN, and others have more than one monthly series going at any time, up to 4 or 5 in some cases. Even if 3 of those 4 are heavy with year-long arcs, what would it possibly hurt to reserve one of those series for stand-alone, done-in-one stories? And that series could be the one pushed into supermarkets and newsstands, etc. (Yes, a lot of newsstands still carry comics, but it's usually only 20 or 30 titles with the most recognizable names.)
"Writing for the trade" is not necessarily a bad thing--I like a plan and one writer and one penciler giving us a nice epic. But a lot of the most enjoyable trades have ten or twelve single stories! (Consider it a collection of short stories rather than an entire "novel.")
Edited by Eric Jansen on 11 June 2015 at 4:49pm
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7790
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 2:06am | IP Logged | 2
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In the UK, comics ARE available in a diverse range of outlets - you can now buy the Panini reprints in Asda (that's Walmart to you lot), WH Smiths (a newsagent/stationary shop) and other places.
We have comics aimed at kids - so Spider-Man, Avengers, Angry Birds etc - come out monthly, in a wrapper usually with a toy. You also have the Panini reprints as mentioned above - usually reprinting two to three linked titles in one issue.
Everything costs around £5 per issue though. And the Panini reprints are pretty current stories, so, you know, face peeled off Joker, decapitations, loads of blood etc. Best to stick to the wrapped in plastic issues but wrapped in plastic means you can't sample in the shop and then impulse buy.
In Birmingham, there are two main comic shops. One is fairly poorly lit and plays rock music that has the F-word a lot. The other has just moved. White walls, bright, don't know about the current music though. But it does look more inviting.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133334
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 4:46am | IP Logged | 3
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In Birmingham, there are two main comic shops. •• Ah, Bearmingum!! Population 1,092,330. Anybody else see the problem, here?
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7790
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 6:09am | IP Logged | 4
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Totally
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Tim O Neill Byrne Robotics Security
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10937
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 7:15am | IP Logged | 5
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I think the comic book shops became popular because fans didn't want to miss issues that were hard to track down in convenience stores and magazine racks. Now we have digital distribution for the adults who insist on getting every issues early, so the need for the comic shop is not as pressing.
Comics should be available as impulse buys for young readers who are being dragged to stores with their parents. The popularity of the films would only increase the likelihood of an impulse buy. This would lead to the kids seeking the books out themselves, either in print or digitally.
It's not too late. Major print magazines and newspapers were rocked by the coming of the internet, but they have found ways to have print and digital co-exist and support each other. It's just about identifying teh audience. I think comic books have identified their audience - and it's a bunch of pudgy, middle aged men. They need to get the kids back, and print editions should be part of that campaign.
As much as it saddens me, I don't think the traditional comic book will do this. I think the Archie model of small collections is the closest thing we have in American to manga. Marvel and DC should be in the supermarket check-out line in these forms.
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Robert Bradley Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4883
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 6
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The biggest problem seems to be that the companies have gone from producing stories for kids to producing collectibles for adult hobbyists.
We need lower prices, wider availability and more child-appropriate stories, not glossy printing, computer coloring and variant covers with gratuitous sex and violence in mainstream titles.
It's not rocket science.
Edited by Robert Bradley on 12 June 2015 at 8:29am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 8:30am | IP Logged | 7
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I think the comic book shops became popular because fans didn't want to miss issues that were hard to track down in convenience stores and magazine racks. Now we have digital distribution for the adults who insist on getting every issues early, so the need for the comic shop is not as pressing. •• I tried with little success to make the point, years ago, that if everyone is getting their issues "early," early isn't early anymore!
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5835
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 9:40am | IP Logged | 8
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I was reading a run of CAPTAIN AMERICA post-Heroes Return, and like many other Marvel comics, the series took a darker, more "realistic" turn around 9/11. Cap's costume started being literalized (more battle ready) and he was now fighting terrorists and cursing bin Laden. With the distance of time, I see how misguided introducing the realities of post-9/11 into comics. After all, Cap has already been fighting terrorists (HYDRA, the Viper, and even the Red Skull, if you stretch the definition to include him). As awful as 9/11 was, the Marvel Universe New York -- the one where Doctor Doom blew up buildings and Galactus appeared -- had suffered attacks on far greater scales that did not "haunt" the heroes afterward. Things reverted back to normal in a way that wasn't "realistic" but made sense for comic books. And bin Laden as a bogey man made sense to us in the real world but compared to Magneto, the Red Skull, or the Hate Monger, he was a petty thug.
I also recall Tony Stark going public with his identity around this time because somehow a "secret identity" was cowardly when 'real heroes' (firemen, police officers) didn't hide who they were. Again, this was all in the wake of 9/11.
I mention this because I wonder how much that event shifted things in comics almost permanently. For me, I felt like Marvel stopped being "fun." Now, I started reading superhero comics when I was around 10 or 11. Someone around that age in 2001 would be in their mid- 20s now. How many people under the age of 35 remember non-deconstructionist comics? Can we even reach the all- ages audience? Does Marvel even know how?
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Philippe Negrin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 August 2007 Location: France Posts: 2644
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 11:03am | IP Logged | 9
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I've always thought the US style of comics ( cheap, "floppy" magazines with about 22 pages of story and 8 pages of ads, sold in convenience stores and newsstand) made perfect sense. These characteristics are gone now 1. Heavier much more durable paper 2. Much more expensive, not something you can buy with a few coins fallen from your pockets 3. Only sold in specialized comic book stores.
So why keep the traditional US format ? It doesn't make sense to me. Go all the European way with quality paper and hard binding, 1 or 2 44 page books a year with no fillers, a consistent creative team and a self-contained story arc for each volume. I understand lots of people are only buying the trades now anyway.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 16502
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Posted: 12 June 2015 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | 10
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Philippe Negrin wrote:
...So why keep the traditional US format ?... |
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I agree, and I've been arguing the point that comics need to change format for years":
"The Shape of The Future" thread.
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