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Jason Czeskleba
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In the original photo, the dress appears blue and gold to me. But that's because the photo is washed out and so the black is not accurately showing up in the photo. That seems simple. I'm puzzled about what the confusion is. People who believe the dress is white are not failing to perceive the blue, are they? They are simply concluding (incorrectly) that the blue is an artifact of the lighting in this photo and that the dress is really white, right?
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Paul Reis
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i find this absolutely insane! everyone's color receptors generally work the same way, but every individual can have variances, rooms/offices all have different lighting, computer screens are different, and it goes on and on! there are so many variables here.
the amount of wasted discussion that is going on reminds me of the time there was a lot of broo-ha-ha when a local phone book was issued where John O'Connor* showed up after pages and pages of people correctly sorted A through Z. ANY person in the IT field knew it was because the name was entered with a ZERO and not the letter Oh.
*i'm not sure of the name, it was something-"0 apostrophe"-something.
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Michael Roberts
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They are simply concluding (incorrectly) that the blue is an artifact of
the lighting in this photo and that the dress is really white, right?
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Well, no. They are actually perceiving it as white. Yes, they are
concluding that there is a tint because of the lighting, but there is
something perceptual going on and not simply people consciously
concluding something. It's something similar to this illusion:
Which center square is darker?
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Neil Lindholm
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I am still confused over this entire argument. I took the original image and put it in Inkscape and got the RGB values from the gold part and the white part. The gold part looks brown and the white part looks light blue when I created rectangles based on the exact colours. As well, the RGB values given are not blue and black, like everyone says. Are people arguing that the original dress is black and blue and this is just a lousy picture or are they actually saying they see black and blue?
I am no expert at all using graphics programs but these are the two colours I got from the dress using RGB values and the colour dropper tool in Inkscape. Unless my eyes are totally messed up ,these are golden brown and light blue, the colours I see in the image of the dress.
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Steve De Young
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The original dress is black and blue, and I and many other people see it in its actual colors in the photo.
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Ed Love
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Will have to revise my answer though not the reasoning
The problem is not, as the article suggests, how people see color and such. The problem is the nature of the photograph itself ie is it a backlit photo as it would seem to be OR if you could pull back from the dress you would see that it is actually being directly lit with a strong light from all directions and is thus a completely washed out image? It's not a matter of interpretation of the color but an interpretation of the conditions the photo were taken under.
The original dress comes in black and white as well as blue and black. It also has parts that are with a black shear with a design which shows up as all solid color without a hint of skin tone underneath. So, basically a bad photo.
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Matt Reed
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Fun with memes...
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Jason Czeskleba
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Like Neil, I'm still puzzled by what's being argued here. The RGB analysis shows that what is objectively visible in the original photo are shades of blue, gold, and brown. When people say they "see" white or black, they clearly mean that their brains are making allowances for the lighting in the photo and interpreting the blue as white or the gold/brown as black. No one is literally seeing white or black because those colors are not visible in the photo.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 28 February 2015 at 1:37pm
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Ronald Joseph
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Three of us looked at the same picture of that dress on the same computer screen the other night. Two of us saw white and gold and the other saw blue and black.
Don't know what - if anything - that means, but it provided us with a small amount of entertainment for a while. I'll take it!
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Fabrice Renault
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No matter how I look at it, I see it white and gold. My wife too.My daughter and my mother, however, see it blue and black.
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Michael Roberts
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When people say they "see" white or black, they clearly mean that their
brains are making allowances for the lighting in the photo and
interpreting the blue as white or the gold/brown as black. No one is
literally seeing white or black because those colors are not visible in the
photo.
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I don't understand the distinction you are making here. People are
perceiving white and gold or blue and black. That's what they are "seeing".
The human visual system does not work like a camera sensor. If you are
walking outside with a green ball, then take it indoors, the amount and
wavelengths of light reflecting from that ball are literally different, but we
"see" it as the same color.
Humans beings aren't light meters or colorimeters.
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Neil Lindholm
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Anybody here that sees this dress as black and dark blue, the boxes I made using the RGB code from the actual image, do these boxes look black and blue to you as well? I understand Fabrice's post. Black and dark blue are not in this image.
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