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Matt Hawes
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| Posted: 23 December 2014 at 8:59pm | IP Logged | 1
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Brian Hague wrote:
| ...Visually, post-transformation Psylocke owes a great deal to Elektra... |
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So much so that I recall Toybiz put out a repaint of an Elektra action figure as a Psylocke figure. (Or was it the other way 'round?)
Edited by Matt Hawes on 23 December 2014 at 9:01pm
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Brian Hague
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| Posted: 23 December 2014 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 2
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Glancing at the auctions on eBay, it would seem that in the X-Men Classics line of figures from the 90's, Psylocke pre-dated Elektra, based on the fact that Elektra wears an unpainted X-Men emblem on her belt and is given an "energy weapon" to wield in her fight against evil. :-)
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 23 December 2014 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 3
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The switch between the delicate, doe-eyed British beauty Psylocke in her pink suit with the diaphanous sleeves, and her kick-ass, easily 200 times as lethal Ninja Assassin self was vaguely reminiscent of Voyager's kicking Kes to the curb to bring in Seven of Nine. ••• Not to introduce a bucket full of thread drift, but wasn't Kes introduced with a limited lifespan?
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Michael Roberts
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Kes was two years into a nine-year lifespan at the beginning of
Voyager. The original concept of the character was that she'd age
significantly throughout the series.
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Mike Norris
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| Posted: 23 December 2014 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | 5
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Didn't Claremont also switch a couple of New Mutant supporting characters from Caucasian to Native American?
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Brian Hague
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| Posted: 23 December 2014 at 10:56pm | IP Logged | 6
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True. A pair of police officers were changed to become Native Americans in the Great Bear Saga.
Kes was introduced with a limited life span, but she did not live out that full span during her time aboard Voyager. Contact with Species 8472 hyper-evolved Kes into a new state of being, one in which she is powerful enough to send Voyager to the other side of Borg space and that much closer to home.
She did come back for one episode later and was shown to have aged, but she was still an evolved being with enhanced telepathic and psychokinetic abilities, including time travel.
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Rick Whiting
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Betsy had been the one carrying the doohickey around, and when she went through it did something wonkey with her telepathic powers. She got deposited in Hong Kong, but in an Asian Hand assassin's body, meanwhile the assassin's brain ended up in her body.
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That's not quite how it originally happened. When Betsy arrived in Hong Kong with her memory wiped, the Mandarin and the Hand with the help of Spiral and her Body shop transformed Betsy into Eurasian (half European and half Chinese, not fully Japanese), which is why she still kind of looked like herself but with some Asian physical features. The transformation was accomplished through a combination of magic and science. According to Claremont in at least one interview, the Mandarin wanted her to serve him as one of his top assassins, but he didn't want a white girl representing his organization so he had the Hand and Spiral transform her in Eurasian. Durring his Xtreme X-Men series, Claremont was planning on returning Betsy back to her original body, which is why he "killed" her off in the 3rd issue of that series. However, Quesada stepped in with his stupid "dead means dead" policy and refused to allow Claremont to bring her back.
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Carmen Bernardo
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Quesada. The only word to explain today's mess.
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Matt Hawes
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Rick Whitling wrote:
| ...the Mandarin and the Hand with the help of Spiral and her Body shop transformed Betsy into Eurasian (half European and half Chinese, not fully Japanese) ... |
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Was she Japanese, at all? If she is half-white, half-Chinese, it doesn't sound that way.
I read the "Acts of Vengeance" storyline, and "Uncanny X-Men" in particular, when that story was happening, but not since then so I don;t recall the details anymore.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 24 December 2014 at 5:15am
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John Byrne
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Was she Japanese, at all? If she is half-white, half-Chinese, it doesn't sound that way.•• Chris has always been a bit loosey-goosey about that. Colleen Wing was played as essentially Japanese, despite having a Chinese father. Her unseen mother, we were told, was Japanese.
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Daniel Gillotte
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This was one of (what felt like) 1,000 cuts that made me learn to hate the X-Men in this era- along with powering up Doug Ramsay because they couldn't figure out how to write a non-powered "normal" kid (and then killing him when they still couldn't figure out how to handle him), the whole insane and confusing (and ultimately dumb) Rachel powers shite, Madeline Pryor, and other stuff...
Why mess with Betsy? Add a new damn mutant if you want to and figure out how to get drama from the toys as you got them without impossibly transforming them.
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Jeremy Simington
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Is there a word, English or otherwise, for when you read something and find it hilarious until you realize it's actually true and are then horrified? That's how I felt reading Rick Whiting's explanation of Psylocke's race-switch.
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