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Eric Ladd
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Hindsight being what it is.... At the time I would assume Sony and Fox represented the only way big budget super hero movies were going to get made with Marvel properties. I could be wrong, but I think such deals as we see for the FF, Spider-Man and the X-Men would not have been struck if Marvel executives thought they could build such a successful studio just a decade later.
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Michael Roberts
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The Sony/Columbia deal came about shortly after Marvel got out of Chapter 11.
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John Byrne
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This thread, and, indeed, this Forum, and other such outlets like it, are once again proof that fans these days know FAR too much about what's going on behind the scenes. You have not only seen the man behind the curtain, you have seen that he has no clothes!
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Kip Lewis
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That is one thing about this, is if
Marvel plays it right, they can use ask
these rumours and speculations to actually
surprise their audience. Or create a new
one.
But can they?
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Stephen Churay
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The Sony/Columbia deal came about shortly after Marvel got out of
Chapter 11.
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According to the book COMIC BOOK WARS, the deal was in place,
Perlmutter bought Marvel, but they didn't climb out of bankruptcy until
the revenues from the first Spider-Man movie came in. But, I can't
attest to how accurate the book's info was. I will say that it's an
entertaining read.
The funny thing is, Ike was viewed as Marvel's savior at the time. Carl
Ichan was looking to buy the company and would've probably
dismantled it, selling off characters to the highest bidder.
I still think someone could come along and right the ship at Marvel,
but Perlmutter is now part of problem not a solution. I also wonder
how many people over there tow the company line without believing in
the product they're creating.
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Mike Norris
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| Posted: 12 October 2014 at 10:24pm | IP Logged | 6
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A Marvel Comics that isn't publishing the Fantastic Four seems odd to me.
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Robert Ingrao
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"I was a avengers fan until they kept stopping and starting"
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i hope you at least bought Ultimates series 1 & 2
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gary haylock
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Fantastic four by John byrne is the best run since kirby/lee.issues 232
-292 should be read but any ff writers as a blueprint of the characters.
jb captured the magic of the ff family and the stories fitted the
characters not characters fitting a story.
I have recently read some old avengers (bendis era) showing reed in a
secret avengers club.
Also didnt reed help build a clone of thor which killed someone ? Has
that been followed up or just forgotten ?
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James Woodcock
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"I was a avengers fan until they kept stopping and starting"
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i hope you at least bought Ultimates series 1 & 2 ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- Why would an Avengers fan buy Ultimates vol 1 and 2? I once had a blazing row with a shop owner after he asked me if I read Ultimates. My response was that I didn't like the characterisations from what I had seen. He had a blue fit - how could I think that?
I tried to explain that I didn't see why they couldn't have told that story with new characters but it was too late, I had irked his anger. I never went back to that shop.
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John Byrne
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"I was a avengers fan until they kept stopping and starting"******************** i hope you at least bought Ultimates series 1 & 2 ------------------------------ Why would an Avengers fan buy Ultimates vol 1 and 2? I once had a blazing row with a shop owner after he asked me if I read Ultimates. My response was that I didn't like the characterisations from what I had seen. He had a blue fit - how could I think that? ••• How many times have I encountered this scenario. "Oh, you like (something I like)? Then you must have loved (something that trashes the thing I like)." Last time was with AbramsTrek. As a writer, I am often appalled by the superficial take so many people have on the material -- including self-proclaimed "fans"!
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James Howell
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Can you really be a fan of the Fantastic Four, if you're willing to see a film that has little to do with the FF other than name only?
If I order a cheeseburger, I want what I ordered, not what they decide to give me, then call it a "cheeseburger".
Fans nowadays are a little less discerning when it comes to their superhero films (or current comics). The whole point of doing live-action superheroes onscreen, is to bring the characters you see on the comic page to life. Now the attempt to create that world, is considered "corny" and "cheesy" by the "fans" themselves. They can't get enough of that mainstream acceptance, fleeting as it is. As long as they call it "Fantastic Four" or "X-Men", add a few Easter egg references from the classic comics, then that's good enough.
Well, it's not for me. Not anymore.
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Brian J Nelson
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"Can you really be a fan of the Fantastic Four, if you're willing to see a film that has little to do with the FF other than name only?
If I order a cheeseburger, I want what I ordered, not what they decide to give me, then call it a "cheeseburger"."
Except you aren't ordering a cheeseburger. You don't get to decide what the restaurant has on its menu. You are at a place that has what they describe as a "cheeseburger" with a very clear description that this is not what you would normally expect in a cheeseburger. Now, if you order it anyway, and get mad because it wasn't what you would normally expect in a cheeseburger, well that is all kinds of silliness. If you decide that their "cheeseburger" is not for you, and choose not to order it, well who can blame you. Though, if someone orders this "cheeseburger" and likes it...can you honestly try to claim that they must not like real cheeseburgers?
Yes, someone can watch this and still be a fan of another Fantastic Four. Because it is good and enjoyable. If they get to enjoy multiple FFs, awesome for them.
Personally, I sit in the second camp I described above. I am not really into their version of a "cheeseburger". But I still can't bring myself to be mad at them for making it.
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