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Marc Cheek
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Sadly, this Wolverine no longer exists. But then again, that's true all the comics I used to enjoy.
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Michael Penn
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I really enjoyed the dynamic between Cyclops and Wolverine back then. Scott was still the leader and he knew, he understood Wolverine, and he more than anyone else, like the great leader he was, tried to reach him, tried to integrate him as part of the team. The severe contrast in their personalities was, through JB's work, crafting a positive relationship. And all that was trashed, maybe permanently, with three words: "you're a dick."
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John Byrne
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I really enjoyed the dynamic between Cyclops and Wolverine back then. Scott was still the leader and he knew, he understood Wolverine, and he more than anyone else, like the great leader he was, tried to reach him, tried to integrate him as part of the team. The severe contrast in their personalities was, through JB's work, crafting a positive relationship. And all that was trashed, maybe permanently, with three words: "you're a dick." •• Much as I hated that totally gratuitous line, the destruction of Cyclops as a character started long before the X-Movies. It's not often that one can point to a single moment as THE ONE where a character skidded off the rails, but in Scott's case it happened in the Savage Land story, when Chris scripted a scene differently from how we had plotted it. Instead of what was intended as a touching and revealing scene in which Scott contemplated his relationship with the reborn Jean Grey/Phoenix, it became a totally out-of-character feminist rant from Storm -- and Scott became, in the eyes of so many fans, "a dick."
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Michael Penn
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I agree with that. I think the line from the movies was the culmination of a long steady denigrating of Cyclops, and it was patent, to me at any rate, that Chris Claremont favored Storm over Cyclops, and in such ways that changed both characters for the worse, again for me.
But regarding Wolverine and Cyclops, I think your art itself, JB, even when written against kept up a good fight to preserve these characters and what worked so well in their relationship. I suppose my favorite sequence would be when Cyclops sees Wolverine terribly shaken after Proteus and coaxes him into a not-so-safe tussle.
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Bill Collins
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I also liked Wolverine`s affinity with animals rather than people.
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John Byrne
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I also liked Wolverine`s affinity with animals rather than people.•• Of course, in the first issue of WOLVERINE I did with Archie, the opening sequence had him hunting (a deer?). How soon we forget!
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Josh Goldberg
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****
If the burst simply creased his side, what tore all the way through his shirt, front-to-back?
Edited by Josh Goldberg on 12 September 2014 at 7:55am
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Robert White
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Wolverine was hunting a warthog, JB.
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Lee Mayor
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Although I prefer Jim Lee's Wolverine/Logan (Uncanny 268-272 especially), I've got to admit John Byrne's take on the character was sublime...
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Bill Collins
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I never read the Archie/J.B. Wolverine,so my frame of reference is when he tells Ororo he`s going hunting deer,but he`s actually stalking them not killing them.The Zabu scene and in Miller/Claremont Wolverine where he reluctantly puts the bear out of it`s misery.
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John Byrne
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Wolverine was hunting a warthog, JB. •• Thanks! Still hunting a critter, tho.
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Stephen Churay
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IIRC, when Wolverine went hunting, he would stalk his prey without
killing it. I think it's mentioned in UXM 109. It's been longer since I've
read the Wolverine issue. I don't remember if he kills the hog or not.
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