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Roy Johnson
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When I was starting out at Marvel. lo these many years ago, there were plenty of writers and artists whose mantra, oft repeated, was that they were "not going to give Marvel the next Spider-Man!"

Many of us looked upon this attitude as pure foolishness. After all, as the market existed in those days, there was very little likelihood that anyone was really going to create "the next Spider-Man." (The "next Spider-Man" HAD been created, recently, but nobody noticed. It would take years for Wolverine to assume dominance at Marvel.)

Aside from foolishness, there was, to my mind, a great degree of selfishness in that attitude. It wasn't just Marvel who were being denied new characters. It was the readers. Perception of the audience often ranged into strange territory. There was one writer back then, in the early days of ruminating on "creator's rights," who declared in a published interview that he intended to DELIBERATELY turn in inferior work, until the industry improved. The readers, he said, would support him in this!

The industry and marketplace have changed a lot since those days. Some of those changes have been for the good, but many have not. The delusion about creating "the next Spider-Man (or Wolverine)" persists, and many writers still prefer to mess with existing characters, rather than create new ones. If a writer makes a change to Captain Fonebone, and Captain Fonebone goes on to become the star of a hugely successful movie franchise, said writer has not "lost" anything.

But the readers have.

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JB, I don't know much about the inner workings of the comic industry but couldn't this be fixed by offering creators a reasonable royalty (or whatever is the correct term) for new characters but not necessarily ownership? That way if the character is a hit the creator gets his cut everytime the character is used but the company has full ownership and can do what they want to do with the character. With that kind of incentive things could get interesting.

(Thinking about it as I write I could see all kinds of legal arguments that could arise from my suggestion, eg. what constitutes Captain Fonebone? If the company puts him in a red costume instead of blue, is he still Fonebone and would they have to pay royalties?)
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I don't know much about the inner workings of the comic industry but couldn't this be fixed by offering creators a reasonable royalty (or whatever is the correct term) for new characters but not necessarily ownership?

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Marvel has been offering something like that for a couple of decades. Doesn't really amount to much, unless the character IS hugely successful.

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Fans are a cowardly, superstitious lot.  Give a new character an existing character's name, tie that new character in to a popular franchise, and make it as close as possible to a character that fans already like, and you've got a character that might support a title for more than a year or two. 

Try to put this new character over as Thunder Girl or Punch Girl and the people reading the book will probably like her just fine, but she won't support her own title, based on the past 15-20 years of mainstream comic sales.  Call her Power Girl, though, and you've bought yourself at least another six months at getting the book to catch on with readers.      
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...and yet, Agent Phil Coulson acquires enough of a fan following (amongst comic readers, not just movie-goers) that he goes from being a minor aside in the first Iron Man movie, to being the catalyst that helps form the movie Avengers, getting his own 'Agent Coulson and his not-so-Amazing Friends' spin-off show, and finally, being introduced into the comics proper, Harley Quinn-style.

Wonder if it's readers/fans to blame, or just publishers not sticking by any character that isn't one of their main, guaranteed money-spinners, or isn't part of whatever the big marketing stunt 'event crossover du jour' that's currently being flogged like a Grand National casualty...

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Phil Coulson could just as easily have been Jasper Sitwell or Clay Quartermain, though, and was basically in those movies as the "named" SHIELD agent.  Maybe Marvel and DC could put more completely new characters over if they really wanted to, but if you've already got some level of brand recognition with names and costumes that readers seem to like, it's that much easier to establish them (and you've always got the option of reintroducing the classic version of that character later on).  Nova 2, Blue Beetle 3 (or 4?), Question 2, Red Hulk...they've got at least some chance of carrying a book.  Just ask Orpheus, Annex, Vext, The Heckler, Gravity, Ultra-Girl...    
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Oh, don't get me started on the way Marvel wasted Gravity... Everything about how that character's been handled might be a perfect microcosm of the way the current Big Two regimes haven't got a bloody clue.



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