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Ronald Joseph
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Jack Kirby could never get it right..
I've often wondered if Kirby just wouldn't get it right.
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Conrad Teves
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The "S" on the Lee version looks so hard and rigid he could take it off and throw it at someone.
Brian>>Any indication of underlying musculature is apparently to be left to the computo-colorist.<<
It would be interesting to hear the colorists thought process on this. The (I feel excessive) edge lighting seems mostly there to graphically separate the shape against the black background, even though you can see Superman's hair just fine against it. So often it seems the colorists are not actually looking at what they are coloring. Or is somebody actually telling them to highlight every wrinkle but color the face so as to flatten it out? He modeled the crap out of the hands...
[edited for spelling]
Edited by Conrad Teves on 20 August 2014 at 9:34am
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John Byrne
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Jack Kirby could never get it right..I've often wondered if Kirby just wouldn't get it right. •• Kirby often had trouble with costumes he didn't design himself. It was well known that he rarely looked back at his own work, for reference, and it sometimes seemed he treated the work of others the same way. A quick glance, perhaps, and then he drew what felt right to him. (His Batman, for instance, was VERY strange!)
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Stephen Churay
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Jack Kirby could never get it right..
I've often wondered if Kirby just wouldn't get it right.
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Kirby often had trouble with costumes he didn't design himself. It was
well known that he rarely looked back at his own work, for reference,
and it sometimes seemed he treated the work of others the same
way. A quick glance, perhaps, and then he drew what felt right to him.
(His Batman, for instance, was VERY strange!)
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John Buscema could get it right but he hated drawing it. Of course
he's been known for not have a huge love for the superhero books he
drew. I did read an interview where he mentioned he had a particular
dislike for Spider-Man's. I think his dislike for it comes from having to
do all the linework. He worked to become fast and it can be a little
time consuming to get it right.
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Charles Valderrama
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"I wonder what Superman has done to make DC hate him so much."
Well, the Flash hasn't gotten any better treatment…
-C!
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Jason Schulman
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MORE LINES! MORE LINES! MUST HAVE MORE LINES!!
Almost makes one glad that Carmine Infantino isn't alive to see this.
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Brian Hague
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I wonder if much of this is born of the modern reader/viewer's obsession with High Definition imagery. Clearly, if the figure isn't shown with every seam, bulge, and texture well delineated and defined, well, you're just not getting your money's worth out of the product.
Obviously, they CAN put in all that argle-bargle, shading, and costume detail. Look how often it's done now. You're just getting ripped off when they don't!
Besides, who wants TODAY'S books to look all old-timey and backwards? Lather on all that hot, sexy computer coloring and fine-line techno-armor! Old farts may want to take it all away, but we can't let them! THIS is what defines OUR art TODAY! They had their's and now their day is over! All that's left for them is to throw rocks at the artistic geniuses of TODAY from their creaky old porches and rickety rocking chairs! "Hey, old man! Here's an old Showcase Presents, okay? Go gum on that while I drink in this sweet Bryan Hitch double-page spread and this Greg Land photoshop centerfold!"
There is in each generation a definite sense that what is made today is made specifically for today's audience. They identify with it and react as if personally attacked when their product is demeaned by others. Fashion psychology is a real and potent force in the marketplace.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Well, the Flash hasn't gotten any better treatment…
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And the Flash who had one of the best-looking costumes out there..
Both that Flash and Superman costume (as with many other Nu52) suffer from the same condition: a ridiculous amount of details that serve no practical purpose whatsoever - other than perhaps making them a bitch to draw.
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Eric Ladd
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I had not seen DC's version of Electro until now. That costume for The Flash suggests to me that he has some type of electric capability. There does seem to be a "more is better" thought process behind these costumes.
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Marc Cheek
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That Flash costume is terrible... Why mess with perfection?
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Eric Sofer
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It's DC's Pu52 philosophy - "mess with everything you can and make it OUR DC... not the traditional (and recognizable) one." The first time I saw a drawing of the Pu52 Justice League, I wondered A) why Cyborg was with them (well, first things first...) and B) why were they wearing armor? Superman doesn't need armor (or, worse, maybe he DOES!) and for Batman and Flash, it would considerably hinder them.
More than one person has said that the idea with a "regime change" is to leave the sandbox the way you found it... don't make radical changes in the basic character because another writer and artist have to work with the character. But this is more like actually removing the sand and replacing it with kitty litter.
I miss DC and Marvel comic books. I really do.
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William T. Byrd
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This trend of more lines isn't just hurting the looks of super hero costumes. Look at the NFL teams that have recently updated their uniforms (Buccaneers, Seahawks, Jaguars, etc) where uniforms used to be pretty simple (and great looking) they now have lines and designs all over the place.Is it just what is popular now with younger people?
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