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Brian Hague
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Stephen Churay is correct. No two artists approach Lee's design in the same manner. For some, the lines are raised. For others, they're seams, showing wear separate armored plates fit together. Others still treat the lines as etched into the metallic fabric of the armor.
"The more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
This drawing is by Garcia-Lopez and inked by Brett Breeding.
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Brian Hague
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Interestingly, Lee's design works overall when Lee's sensibilities are applied, but it comes with a collection of odd rules. For instance, you can and should indicate the muscles along the lower rib cage. You cannot, however, indicate abdominal muscles as doing so "draws over" the pointed gem designs rising from the belt area, so Superman's armor is now selectively form-fitting. Either that or he's rather thin and the muscles are built in ala' the Batman film franchise. Any indication of underlying musculature is apparently to be left to the computo-colorist. An odd approach to take for comic's original super-strong hero...
Few seem to get that Lee's design on the forearms is keyhole or banjo shaped, and those shoulder emblems vanish as often as they appear. Lee's armor looks vaguely Japanese in its technology; hard plastic or ceramic-coated metal segmented & cut to fit to extreme tolerances. There is no real piping on his, yet I've seen this approach taken by a few of the Nu52 artists when it comes to rendering what ought to be extremely fine lines.
And the fact that Lee's oddly curved and hinged (?) kneecap covers are consistently read as multi-faceted gemstones is extremely distracting. Lee's design is slightly more rounded except on top, but his drawing does not do a good job of conveying that.
If he hadn't been the fellow approving the designs he assigned himself, I don't know that anyone would have gone with this...
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Eric Jansen
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And...Garcia-Lopez is the only person I've seen who can make that outfit work at all! Though it would still look better without that stupid collar.
And, on the other hand, Jim Lee really does draw the classic version really, really well...much better than he draws his OWN redesign!
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John Byrne
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Yes, in this age when artists seem unable to draw even one book a month, the thing we really need is costumes with MORE lines on them!
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Andrew W. Farago
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I really, really wish the New 52 had taken the animated Justice League cartoon as their template, giving us streamlined character designs, back to basics origin stories, and the notion that you can tell great, accessible stories with any character.
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Jeffrey Rice
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The animated Justice League may have been gone but the Young Justice series guest starred a massive JLA line-up. All handled well. I wish that team was given the reigns of the comics.
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Terry Doyle
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"Yes, in this age when artists seem unable to draw even one book a month, the thing we really need is costumes with MORE lines on them!"
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Ditko's Spider-man must have been the ultimate pain-in-the-ass costume to illustrate . . .
Edited by Terry Doyle on 20 August 2014 at 1:33am
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Marc Cheek
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Ditko's Spider-man must have been the ultimate pain-in-the-ass costume to illustrate . . .
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Jack Kirby could never get it right..
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John Byrne
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Ditko's Spider-man must have been the ultimate pain-in-the-ass costume to illustrate . . .••• Ditko himself simplified the costume over the first several issues, which made it a lot easier. There are two classic Marvel characters whose evolved designs require a degree of "Zen," Spider-Man and the Thing. Both require some time, but, at least in days of yore, they're not usually surrounded by equally busy character designs.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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It says everything about that new Superman costume that not even John Romita SR or JR can make it look good.
I wonder what Superman has done to make DC hate him so much.
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Paul Greer
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I love the Romita's work but this costume is a turd. There is a reason the
other costume worked, it was timeless.
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Jason Schulman
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I wonder what Superman has done to make DC hate him so much.
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Have completely altruistic motives not based on guilt or revenge or a general love of violence?
A horrible thing to base a superhero on, y'know.
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