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Ronald Joseph
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Posted: 11 June 2014 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 1  

If anything, shouldn't black actors/actresses and/or black moviegoers be offended that Johnny is the character they felt best "worked" as black?

The scientific leader of the team can't be black. No, no, that'll never work. Let's try something new, something cutting edge, and make the juvenile, wise-cracking smartass black.



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Posted: 11 June 2014 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | 2  

But Will Smith always, it's tradition!

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Sorry, but Jaden and Willow Smith's dad is for old fogeys. It's Michael B. Jordan now.
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I'm just waitin for the day Hollywood, assuming Wonder Woman is simply "white", recasts her as black or Asian, forgetting she is actually Greek


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Kip Lewis
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I'm just waitin for the day Hollywood, assuming Wonder
Woman is simply "white", recasts her as black or Asian,
forgetting she is actually Greek.

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Well, George Perez did introduce us to Black Amazons, and I
believe Asians too.

Then again, I didn't think Amazons were Greek, just part of
Greek mythology.


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I'm just waitin for the day Hollywood, assuming Wonder Woman is simply "white", recasts her as black or Asian, forgetting she is actually Greek.

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Well, George Perez did introduce us to Black Amazons, and I believe Asians too.

Then again, I didn't think Amazons were Greek, just part of Greek mythology.

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Posted: 11 June 2014 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | 6  

Wonder Woman has only been Greek since the Perez reboot. Prior to that, she was simply fair-skinned, just as all of the Amazons of Paradise Island (not yet Themiscyra) were, at least until the introduction of her sister Nubia, who, we were told in the 70's, was formed from dark clay at the same time WW was made.

While the Amazons of legend may have been considered Mediterranean or Middle Eastern, William Moulton Marston did not keep to that in creating his perfect race of blondes, redheads, and raven-haired beauties. The Amazons of Paradise Island were essentially a chorus line and not a race.

There is no reason why a version of DC's Wonder Woman filmed at the time of the Lynda Carter show would be Greek, unless like Perez, those chose to hearken back to sources other than the comics. 

And really, she could just as easily be considered Ukrainian or Turkish based on the original legends. The Amazons were invaders from outside Greece.

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Posted: 11 June 2014 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 7  

'm just waitin for the day Hollywood,
assuming Wonder Woman is simply "white",
recasts her as black or Asian, forgetting
she is actually Greek.
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Well, George Perez did introduce us to
Black Amazons, and I believe Asians too.

Then again, I didn't think Amazons were
Greek, just part of Greek mythology.

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Nah, because if it was my choice she
would be Greek. The FF would look like
they do in comics.    I just don't expect
them to be faithful nor does it often
bother me.
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Posted: 11 June 2014 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | 8  


Taking issue with the race-swapping casting of Johnny Storm is NOT racist.

Telling a black child that he can't pretend to play the Human Torch, or a white child can't pretend to be the Falcon; or admonishing Ron Wilson for drawing Johnny Storm, or Jack Kirby for drawing the Black Panther; or telling a black actor he can't voice a white character in an animated cartoon, or a white actor can't voice a minority...

...THAT'S racism!

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Jeffrey Rice
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Posted: 11 June 2014 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | 9  

Denzel Washington was great in Much Ado About Nothing. It was Keanu Reeves slaughtering his few lines that threw me off. 

I also didn't have a problem with Kerry Washington playing Alicia in the other FF films. But, Johnny Storm is is Sue's younger brother. Shouldn't they be at least the same race?

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Posted: 12 June 2014 at 3:38am | IP Logged | 10  

I also didn't have a problem with Kerry Washington playing Alicia in the other FF films. But, Johnny Storm is is Sue's younger brother. Shouldn't they be at least the same race?

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There is a degree of illogic to your thought processes that goes a long way to explaining why Hollywood thinks the way it does. If you allow A, why not B? In fact, how could you have ANY problem with B (and C, and D, and E...) if you allow A?

In Hollywood, doors are closed, or they are wide open. Nothing in between.

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The idea of race swapping kind of makes me sick. I feel like this is
Hollywood and the comic book community throwing scraps at
minorities in an effort to "keep them complacent."

Over the last couple of months I've expressed my discontent at the
Johnny Storm casting and have been called a racist on more than one
occasion, and I resent it to the point of anger.

I'd love to see a really good movies based on actual black characters.
I keep hoping for a good Luke Cage: Power Man or Black Panther
movie.

I wish a company and Denys Cowan could get a deal together to put
Milestone books back on the stands. I think the idea was ahead of it's
time and the world is ready for it now.

Race swapping, to me, does a disservice to the characters there
changing, and insults the black and other minority communities. I
agree with those that say there aren't enough really good characters
of minority races, and wish a greater effort was made to create
original characters of different races.

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Posted: 12 June 2014 at 4:58am | IP Logged | 12  

When it comes to casting a Black actor as Johnny Storm, there is a degree of historical ignorance at work that is insulting to Stan Lee and the memory of Jack Kirby.

Lee and Kirby, both New York Jews, did not "cast" the Fantastic Four as extensions of themselves. It took fifty years for a writer (and I wish it had been me!) to identify Ben Grimm as Jewish. But what Stan and Jack did when shaping the early Marvel Universe was demonstrate a social conscience in the best ways the Nation at the time would tolerate. And let us not forget, it was Stan and Jack who desegregated the American Armed Forces almost a decade before it happened in real life.

Lee, Kirby, Ditko and the rest introduced ethnic and racial minorities with a far greater frequency than, say, DC. Wyatt Wingfoot became a regular member of the FF's supporting cast. Robbie Robertson showed up in Spider-Man. The Black Panther arrived. Heroic non-White figures arose from the ranks of the common man. Remember Al B. Harper, who died to save the world?

When Johnny is race-swapped the inevitable response from some segments of fandom and the media is that this is "necessary" due to comics in the 1960s being hotbeds of White supremacy -- while nothing is further from the truth. American comics had long been the home to some of the most liberal, forward thinking people you were likely to meet. They cannot be taken to task for portraying society as that society perceived itself. But they should definitely be lauded for being, often, ahead of the curve when it came to social reform.

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