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Raj Dhami
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So Frank Cho doesnt like Superman....so what? who gives a s**t. Opinions, as the saying goes, are like ass-holes...everyone has one. Let's move on shall we.
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Robert White
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JB dislikes Thanos and thinks he's goofy looking. I still haven't put a hit out on him for slighting one of my favorite villains. Lighten up!
I do kinda agree that his tone was silly and fanboyish. It's very difficult to criticize something as iconic as Superman; it's like trying to convince people that it's rational to hate the sun -- Mozart, the Beatles, chocolate; it really doesn't matter what you as an individual think of them because the consensus says they're great. Typically the person that rants about things like that has an over-inflated sense of self or doesn't feel as strongly as they let on and just likes to play the contrarian. I find it more amusing than irritating to be perfectly honest.
Edited by Robert White on 06 April 2014 at 7:13am
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John Byrne
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The slow and steady shift toward too-old readers complaining about a product that was not (originally) intended for them began in the Seventies, and almost immediately Superman came under fire. The "big blue Boy Scout" became a popular target by which aging fanboys could show how terribly, terribly cool they were. It didn't seem to occur to them that this was much like finding fault with baby food or Winnie the Pooh. If you're no longer the target audience, it's time for you to move on, not for you to complain that the product no longer meets your requirements.Unfortunately, there was also a slow and steady seepage into the industry of people who came from this pool, and who began altering the characters to suit their tastes, and the tastes of a very small portion of the audience. Superheroes began to change, and as they did, the sales began to shrink. (Sales had been shrinking steadily since the Forties, but there was a definite acceleration.) In the end, as I have said before, it starts to sound very much like the cries of drug addicts, who hate whatever substance they happen to be hooked on, but who cannot give it up.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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I'm not familiar with Frank Cho, but reading something like that from a comic book professional is really sad. Another example of someone who should be doing something else.
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John Byrne
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I'm not familiar with Frank Cho, but reading something like that from a comic book professional is really sad. Another example of someone who should be doing something else.•• Not "something else," just not Superman. And that's very easily accomplished.
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Thom Price
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I wonder how much you can extrapolate about a person based on his work? With little familiarity of Cho, what I see is an overly sexualized presentation of women, a debased view of Batman, and dismissing a noble character as a pussy. Not a pretty picture. "Troglodyte" springs to mind.
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Stephen Robinson
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Superman, at least by the late '60s, had come to represent something
primal, a unique form of childhood wish fulfillment. From every kid who
wrapped a towel around his neck and imagined he could fly. This is
why the ending of THE IRON GIANT is so affecting. When he flies off
and says, "SOOPERMAN," we know what he means, what he wants to
be -- not a weapon, not a bad-ass who snaps men's necks. He wants to
save lives.
As I've written, you can throw Batman into a dark world -- it's not as fun
as the caped crusader, as drawn by Dick Sprang, smiling and having
adventures with Robin, but he can almost work in Chris Nolan's or
Frank Miller's world. Superman can't. That's not his failing however.
Other than JB's run in the 1980s, there are not a lot of Superman
stories (excluding All-Star Superman) that I enjoy because they are too
dark.
But I will always love Superman.
Cho is welcome to his opinion but it strikes me as a grown man
mocking Santa Claus and how silly it is for him to deliver toys to kids in
one night. That wouldn't make someone seem cool. We'd just pity him.
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Michael Roberts
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what I see is an overly sexualized presentation of women
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Because he draws curvy women with big boobs instead of skinny women with fake boobs?
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Jason Mark Hickok
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He is also not a Captain America fan. The "goody goody" type
characters don't appeal to him. It's a personal choice. There are plenty
if popular characters I don't read or am not a fan. No big deal.
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Andy Mokler
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Is this apparent in his work, or would you only be aware of this if you read his blog?-------------------------------- I never really got that impression from all of the Liberty Meadows stuff but if you've ever read Zombie King...it's hard to imagine a more glaring example of fan fic.
But I was thinking about our conversation and wondered how close or if I had crossed the line of hypocrisy. What leaped to mind was Mel Gibson. I know his personal views have ruined his movies for a lot of people and I tried to remember which side of that fence I was on.
Should the work stand on its own? I don't think I have an answer.
I think I just try and avoid finding out anything personal about them.
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Josh Goldberg
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"That's probably why the Hulk only flew for one issue!" **** I don't know, JB. I'm counting three issues. I know the text says he's leaping, but I have a hard time reconciling that with the pictures in issues 3, 4, and 5 which seem to show him swooping around and even changing direction in mid-air. I suppose that's the nature of collaboration (Stan and Jack).
Edited by Josh Goldberg on 06 April 2014 at 11:36am
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Thom Price
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Because he draws curvy women with big boobs instead of skinny women with fake boobs?
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Type "Frank Cho" into Google Images and then tell me if you still need me to answer that. I think I can safely assume Mr. Cho is an ass man.
I did find this one unintentionally ironic
Artists like Cho put these female characters into skimpier and skimpier costumes, and then turn around to mock the impracticality of those costumes. If Wonder Woman's costume were even close to what was originally designed -- athletic, rather than bimbo-ish -- people wouldn't have to ponder why she fights crime in lingerie.
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