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Vinny Valenti
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"Up to FF # 13. Ditko inking Kirby!"
Of the first 20 issues, I find that FF#5 has the best inks, with #13 being very
very close behind it.
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Greg Kirkman
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It would be easy for modern readers to look back at these early stories
and scoff at how "useless" Sue is, and the sexism sprinkled throughout
the stories.
However, I really can see Stan and Jack working to make her a real
part of the team, beginning with Reed's rebuttal to the fan letter in # 11.
Her one-on-one fight with Doom in # 17 is very impressive. And her
force-field powers will be coming along, soon. Sue pretty quickly went
beyond being "the girl" of the book, and it's nice to see.
Anyway, just finished the first FF Annual, as well as the second
STRANGE TALES Annual.
Man, what a Big Deal that first FF Annual must have been, back in the
day. It's a truly epic story, and all of the bonus pin-ups and other
features (including the Spider-Man story inked by Ditko) make it a very
fun experience, one which set pattern for all of the Marvel Annuals to
follow. Definitely a favorite when considering all the issues I've gone
through, thus far.
In that same vein, the Torch's first team-up with Spider-Man is also a lot
of fun. And, hey, more a Kirby inked by Ditko!
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Steve De Young
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A lot of long-time readers seem to dislike this era, but it's when I started reading, so I've got a real fondness for the Englehart/Pollard run. #310-319 are some of favorites to this day.
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Count me in as another fan of that Englehart/Pollard run. I think its reputation is sullied by the horrible 'Aron the Watcher' storyline that ended/followed it that resulted in several months of 'imaginary stories' by guest talent.
Englehart wasn't a star hitter like JB before him or Walt Simonson who came on after, but that run was made up of good, solid, entertaining comics. At the time, it may have seemed like a bit of a lowlight, but if Marvel published that FF run today, it'd be one of the best things on their rack by far.
And Keith Pollard is a guy who I've never felt has gotten enough credit. Especially for sticking to a clean, classic Marvel style in the age of McFarlane and Liefeld and their clones running amok.
Finally, compared to DeFalco's abomination of a run on FF, the Englehart/Pollard run was Shakespeare in the Park.
P.S. I also liked the Kirby-esque Frenz/Sinnott covers from that era. They made me want to buy each issue.
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Andrew W. Farago
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Sinnott's inking really elevates every artist that he works with. Keith Pollard's FF, Al Milgrom's West Coast Avengers, Ron Frenz's Thor--that's my favorite work from each of those pencilers.
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Robert Bradley
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Andrew - Sinnott is a great, great inker, right at the top of the list of the greatest ever - but I never did like his inks over John Buscema's or JB's pencils for some reason.
He's my first choice for the artists you mentioned though, and far and away my favorite for Jack Kirby.
Sinnott, Tom Palmer, Klaus Janson, Wally Wood, Sid Greene, Murphy Anderson, Frank Giacoia, George Klein, John Severin, Terry Austin, Dick Giordano, Syd Shores - it makes you wonder where are the great, young inkers are. Is the secondary art market and the demand for tight pencils making the great inker a thing of the past?
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Andrew W. Farago
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Digital production has marginalized inking considerably. Tight pencils can be colored digitally now, and we're seeing more pencilers color their own work (the Wolverine Origin book and the just-departed Flash team went the pencils-and-colors route). If you're drawing on a tablet, you may as well tighten up your pencils a bit, adjust the levels, and collect the inker's paycheck, too.
Most of the really great inkers who've come along in the past decade or so have been people who ink their own work, and I think that's the direction everything's moving right now. The big companies will still need a good roster of inkers to help bring books in on time and bail out late pencilers, but it's a lot harder to distinguish yourself in the field. Colorists are getting their names listed on the front covers of books now, and they've either been elevated to the same level as inkers or inkers have been knocked down to the level of colorists, as far as the industry's concerned.
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David Allen Perrin
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An off topic (but FF related) question:
hopefully someone who feels they posses a solid knowledge of the FF can tell me….
"About how old were each of the members of the FF supposed to be when they embarked on their fateful cosmic voyage?"
Someone told me recently that Reed Richards was about 25 when they launched into space. This comment was made to me as 'fact' and frankly I'm not buying it. But I'm also not totally sure what the truth is so I can't argue…errr…discuss with confidence.
I trust the members of the JBF and Mr. Byrne in particular however. I find 25 a bit young and I put Reed into his early to mid 30's as of their origin as the FF. If this has been asked and answered elsewhere I certainly apologize for not finding it on my own.
Can anyone offer an answer?
Thx!
Edited by David Allen Perrin on 22 January 2014 at 1:19pm
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DW Zomberg
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Even Sinnot couldn't save Al Milgrom's, uhm, artwork.
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Greg Kirkman
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"About how old were each of the members of the FF supposed to be
when they embarked on their fateful cosmic voyage?"
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According to Stan, back in the day, Johnny was 16, Sue in her early-to-
mid 20s, and Reed (with prematurely graying temples) and Ben both in
their mid-30s.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 22 January 2014 at 2:14pm
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Robert Bradley
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David - I'd put Reed and Ben at least 15 years older than Sue, and Ben and Reed were supposedly WWII (1942-45) veterans and these stories came out about 20 years later, so Johnny 16, Sue early 20's, Reed & Ben 40ish.
Edited by Robert Bradley on 22 January 2014 at 2:17pm
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David Allen Perrin
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So…mid 30's to early to mid 40's?
Well for sure NOT 25!!?? I thought so!
I feel like I've been given a weapon of mass information!
Thx guys!
Edited to add:
It seems that the guy who says Reed was around 25 got his info from Wiki (although which one was not specified).
Reed at mid 30's seems to make so much sense.
Edited by David Allen Perrin on 22 January 2014 at 3:14pm
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David - Reed showed up in Sgt. Fury #3 (September, 1963) as a member of the O.S.S., which would make it roughly 20 years after his military service. So I would say 40ish at the youngest. Ben was his college buddy of course, so it would make him about same age.
Of course Reed's involvement in WWII was eventually dropped because that would make him about 90 now!
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