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John Byrne
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Makes me wonder what Kirby would have done with the collages using more modern technology.••• When I started using computer models in my work, several people commented it was surely something Jack would have done, if he'd had the technology.
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John Byrne
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Up to FF # 31!••• Now's your chance to duplicate my FF reading experience -- read 32, then skip to 132!
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Greg Kirkman
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FF # 34:
The very first...uh...thing...I noticed is that Chic Stone is now suddenly
adding shadows and texture to the Thing's skin plates. Previously, his
inks were totally devoid of this detailing.
Did Stan and/or Jack tell him to start adding this detail? Did he start
doing it on his own? Was Kirby just providing much tighter pencils
during this period? Hmmm.
Either way, ol' Bashful Benjamin is getting very close to his definitive,
Sinnott-era appearance.
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A slightly disturbing (in a good way) collage was the face of Ego from THOR #160. I don't know if it was that way in the original book, but the reprint THOR VS. EGO has it on a left-hand page, as a surprise when you flip it over.
Is there any info on Kirby's method? Where these "found" pictures from magazines, or did he build items and photograph them himself? An Earth Station One podcast mentioned that he had worked for Fleischer Studios, which -- if true -- is interesting, Fleischer used photographic backgrounds in their animation from the silent Koko cartoons, evolving into 3-D "sets" built to show through the animation cels put in front of them.
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John Byrne
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Where these "found" pictures from magazines, or did he build items and photograph them himself?•• "Found." (I once spent some time tracking down what I thought might be the picture Jack used for Ego's face -- a photograph of a bust of Aristotle -- since a writer friend had convinced himself it was a picture of STAN!)
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Greg Kirkman
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FF # 36:
If I were to select a point where Stan and Jack's run really shifted into
overdrive, this would probably be it.
The first appearance of the Frightful Four kicked off a phenomenal era
of stories, which I greatly look forward to revisiting. Each storyline flows
into the next, and the epic quality of the book goes completely and
gloriously out of control.
Despite being composed of two fourth-stringers, one Spider-Man villain,
and a female invented solely for the sake of the story (but quickly used
as a stepping stone to lead us to the Inhumans), the evil FF make for a
fun villain team.
This first Frightful Four story really felt like it needed to be a two-parter,
somehow. The level of excitement in a single FF issue is getting to be
such that one issue seems inadequate to contain everything that Stan
and Jack are packing into it.
Man, I'm having fun. Gotta tell ya, reading these old FF stories just
melts away all of my bleakness and sadness and anger at the current
state of the industry, and puts me into a truly blissful state.
It's a wonderful reminder of why I love comics so much. They just don't
get much better, do they?
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My personal debate is always between Lee/Kirby's "Fantastic Four" and Lee/Ditko's "Amazing Spider-Man" for the best run ever.
I think that Ditko-Lee were nearly perfect at the start of ASM. But Kirby-Lee definitely had a build-up, just getting better and better, and some of those earliest issues are so great it's hard to believe they could improve! I almost feel like I enjoyed the issues right before Lee-Kirby hit "overdrive," as you put it, Greg. I love experiencing how their powers expanded month by month to a level nonpareil.
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Greg wrote:
...FF # 36:
If I were to select a point where Stan and Jack's run really shifted into
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I agree totally. You are in for a real fun ride now, Greg! It doesn't really slow down until about somewhere in the 60's (issue numbers,not years),
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My personal debate is always between Lee/Kirby's "Fantastic Four" and
Lee/Ditko's "Amazing Spider-Man" for the best run ever.
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Same here!
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John Byrne
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My personal debate is always between Lee/Kirby's "Fantastic Four" and Lee/Ditko's "Amazing Spider-Man" for the best run ever.++++++++ Same here! •• The Lee/Ditko Spider-Man run produced some of the best comics of the time, but it was only about a third as long as the Lee/Kirby FF run. I don't want to suggest "bigger is better," but we KNOW Stan and Jack produced more than 100 amazing issues of FANTASTIC FOUR, and we don't know if Stan and Steve could have done the same.
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There is that, yes.
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Haven't had much of a chance to read FF, lately, but I'm easing back in.
# 38 features another fun Frightful Four story, notable for what I believe
is the first full-page splash of Kirby action we've seen, so far (aside
from photocollages, the first page of a story, or the Annuals). The Kirby-
tech and the action scenes just get wilder.
I'm also noticing the first signs of the Thing's separate unibrow.
Personally, I prefer the beetle-brow look.
Looking forward to the classic Doom story in the next two issues. Then,
I just have to survive Colletta, and I'll have finally made it to the true
golden age of FF stories.
Do superhero comics get any better than this? Methinks not!
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