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Brian Peck
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Passing a law so people make more money does not make it a good law. I
think most artists and writers work in the comic book industry because they
love what they are doing. Drawing comic books is not a field you go into to
make money, just like people do not become actors to make money. They do
it for the love of the craft. Only a small percentage of actors make a lot of
money doing that, same can be said for comic book artists.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Passing a law so people make more money does not make it a good law. ~~~~ But denying artist the chance of making more money off the work they created is good? I think most artists and writers work in the comic book industry because they love what they are doing. Drawing comic books is not a field you go into to
make money, just like people do not become actors to make money. They do
it for the love of the craft. Only a small percentage of actors make a lot of
money doing that, same can be said for comic book artists. ~~~~~~~~~~ Hence the need to sell their art.
Every professional artist is doing it to make money. Loving what they do is just a perk. To think that they don't want to make the most money that they can is absurd thinking. If it was just doing it for the love of art. Well than there is no need to try to get a job doing it. You can do it for yourself.
That's like saying a plumber fixed your pipes just because he likes fixing pipes.
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Brian Peck
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But they choose to be a comic book could make a lot of money at it. Many
people become lawyers to make lots of money. People do not get into
drawing comic book because it will make them a lot of money. They became
comic book artists because they love drawing and creating comic books.
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Lars Sandmark
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Brian, Thanks for your thoughtful response. Anthony too.
While I agree that dealers fill a demand in the 'market' for original comic art, my criticism is more about these guys making a living by selling and re-selling other people's artwork, having been nothing more than a middleman.
Those pages are of value for a bunch of reasons but not for anything the dealer did.
I believe the artist is the main reason for any value placed on original comic art and should share in any escalation in cost.
Perhaps it's naive to think that a fan will buy and possess a comic page forever and ever, but the reality of Mr. Dealer passing art from one hand to the next and walkinig away with a wad of cash and a smirk doesn't sit well for me. I have little sympathy for that industry if they're uncomfortable with this proposal.
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Brian Peck
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Lars,
I not agree with you about the dealer/collector not effecting the value of an
artists work. There are many in the comic art collecting field that would
agree with me that Mike Burkey aka Romitaman had a huge effect on the
value John Romita Sr original Spider-Man artwork. Mike did start out as a
collector of John's Spider-Man artwork and had a large collection of Romita
Spider-man artwork. The value of Romita's Spider-Man artwork has
skyrocketed over the last 20 years main due to Mike buying it up. He is now
a dealer and does sell a lot of Romita's Spider-Man artwork which can go for
a lot of money.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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But they choose to be a comic book could make a lot of money at it. Many
people become lawyers to make lots of money. People do not get into
drawing comic book because it will make them a lot of money. They became
comic book artists because they love drawing and creating comic books.~~~~~~~
Like I said that's a perk but they stay doing it for the money. If they didn't why would any artist sell original art? They would either keep it or just give it away.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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but the reality of Mr. Dealer passing art from one hand to the next and walkinig away with a wad of cash and a smirk doesn't sit well for me. I have little sympathy for that industry if they're uncomfortable with this proposal.~~~~~~~~
That wouldn't sit well with me either Lars. |
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Brian Peck
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They stay in comics because they love it not for the money. They sell artwork
so they get more money but money isn't what keeps them in comics. Many
could make more going into advertising or storyboarding in movies (many
do).
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Brian Peck
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Many people make money buying and selling all different types of things. It
doesn't make it a sin to be a capitalist.
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The value of Romita's Spider-Man artwork has
skyrocketed over the last 20 years main due to Mike buying it up. He is now
a dealer and does sell a lot of Romita's Spider-Man artwork which can go for
a lot of money.~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know of the Romitaman website. I like it very much.So this isn't any shot at him but how did he make the value go up? Buying it all up and cornering the market? I'm not saying I'm against that either. Cause that goes to prove what I said earlier about just selling to a dealer.
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Mark Haslett
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Brian: No other creative group has this kind of control on items they are
produced. Once a person sells or trades artwork, houses, furniture etc
they have no say or right to the items.
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A writer's stories cannot be resold without royalties. Is that unfair?You
are passionate with your posts, but there seems to be no argument in
them outside of "royalties have never been part of the deal before, so
they are a bad idea." If royalties had always been the practice, they
would not seem unfair-- because they aren't. The notion of switching up
late in the game makes them seem unjustified when they would
actually address an injustice.
The idea that starving artists shoulda known better than to pursue art is
totally insulting and beside the point. Learning from the examples of
great artists whose work commands more now than they ever made in
their lives can take many forms. "Screw 'em, they shoulda known
better" is a weird choice of lessons to take.
In your opinion, they seem worse than laborers because they are not
allowed to want to make money at their art. That is just plain wrong.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 30 December 2013 at 8:41pm
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Many people make money buying and selling all different types of things. It
doesn't make it a sin to be a capitalist.~~~~~~~~~~ So an artist wanting to make money on his art is just him being a capitalist. So I guess there is no problem with artist getting royalties on resales cause that's just a part of being a capitalist. ``````
They stay in comics because they love it not for the money. They sell artwork
so they get more money but money isn't what keeps them in comics. Many
could make more going into advertising or storyboarding in movies (many
do). ~~~~~~~~~ No one would stay in comics if they couldn't make any money. That's right many artist leave working in comics to do advertising an storyboarding. Why because they aren't making enough money doing comics.
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