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Brandon Frye
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| You play victim well John while trying to paint Kevin and I as some kind of liars and attack your character unfairly. |
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That's rather funny coming from you Jodi.
I have been on this forum for nearly nine years now. I usually post about comics, movies, and TV shows. I always try and be respectful and don't cause any trouble.
One of the very few times I took exception to the political opinion of one of your liberal buddies here, it was you that dashed in, pointed at my lower post count as some kind of evidence of nefarious deeds, and began referring to me as "Brandon," putting quotes on my name as if I wasn't really who I said I was.
In other words, painting me as some kind of liar that was attacking your buddy unfairly.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 10 September 2013 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | 2
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Steve De Young wrote:
| I have seen absolutely nothing in Obama's foreign (or domestic, for that matter) policy which is even the slightest bit different than W.'s approach to the same issues. |
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You may be able to say that about foreign policy, although one could take issue with it, but I hardly think that's the case with domestic policy at all, on any level. The Affordable Healthcare Act alone is enough to put a great distance between Bush Jr. and Obama and that's but one of many policies that are a great deal more than "the slightest bit different" than the previous administration.
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 10 September 2013 at 10:21pm | IP Logged | 3
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That's rather funny coming from you Jodi.
I have been on this forum for nearly nine years now. I usually post about comics, movies, and TV shows. I always try and be respectful and don't cause any trouble.
One of the very few times I took exception to the political opinion of one of your liberal buddies here, it was you that dashed in, pointed at my lower post count as some kind of evidence of nefarious deeds, and began referring to me as "Brandon," putting quotes on my name as if I wasn't really who I said I was.
In other words, painting me as some kind of liar that was attacking your buddy unfairly.
Pot, meet kettle.
OK you are condemning me, because I dashed in, to the defense of one of my "liberal buddies" and you find fault with me questioning your looking like a troll? Since I can't find the post in question and what led up to it, I can not say exactly why I did that. But to be honest, I can see myself doing that. I am very protective of my "liberal buddies" and I hate trolls. But for me to call you out as a troll, my guess is, there was another post by you that I thought was troll like.
And now your one and only time you dashed in to the political thread, is to slam me because I took exception to the political opinion of one of your conservative buddies here. Soooooo aren't you doing the very thing you find fault with me? I believe you would be found in the cooking aisle too.
Damn I will miss our budding friendship though.
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Michael Roberts
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| Posted: 11 September 2013 at 12:34am | IP Logged | 4
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| Obama has doubled down on surveillance, on detention, on drone strikes, on carrying Saudi Arabia's water overseas... On the domestic front, his great accomplishment, Obamacare, was a Republican plan before they all decided they hated it because his name was attached, is a half-assed compromise with the insurance companies. Many of us were hoping he'd finally push for the U.S. to have a single payer system...y'know...like every other industrialized country in the world. |
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I would prefer a single payer system as well, but that would have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the vote in today's political climate, and it's naive to believe otherwise.
Not a fan of the drone program, but I don't know what the right solution is for dealing with terrorism.
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| Its really our own fault, though, for actually believing the hype surrounding Obama's first election. If we'd scratched the surface, we would've seen he's a wholly owned subsidiary of the same companies that owned Bush. |
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I don't see that. He's a pragmatist and someone who tries to find compromise. That should have been obvious from when he first got national notice when he delivered the 2004 DNC keynote. Unfortunately, he ran into an obstructionist Republican party. You can't effect change if the other side won't grant you a middle ground to reach.
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Brandon Frye
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| Posted: 11 September 2013 at 12:38am | IP Logged | 5
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| OK you are condemning me, because I dashed in, to the defense of one of my "liberal buddies" and you find fault with me questioning your looking like a troll? Since I can't find the post in question and what led up to it, I can not say exactly why I did that. But to be honest, I can see myself doing that. I am very protective of my "liberal buddies" and I hate trolls |
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Except I'm not a troll. You arbitrarily decided I was one because I had a low post count.
In fact, as you much certainly know by now, there is luckily very little tolerance for trolls in this forum. So how is it I've been a member here for nearly 9 years if I'm such a troll?
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| And now your one and only time you dashed in to the political thread, is to slam me because I took exception to the political opinion of one of your conservative buddies here. Soooooo aren't you doing the very thing you find fault with me? |
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Soooooo.. no.
Hard as it may be to believe, I don't have some kind of evil agenda. Your "taking exception" involved accusing someone of painting you as someone you aren't. Since this is exactly what you did with me, I found the hypocrisy amusing and decided to call you out on it. For someone who doesn't like being painted unfairly, you sure seem to enjoy swinging that paintbrush yourself.
And now I'm a "troll" with "conservative buddies" too? Cool! Now I can carpool to all those NRA meetings and NASCAR events.
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Michael Roberts
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| Posted: 11 September 2013 at 12:43am | IP Logged | 6
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In fact, as you much certainly know by now, there is luckily very little tolerance for trolls in this forum. So how is it I've been a member here for nearly 9 years if I'm such a troll?
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I wouldn't use this argument. There have been some obvious troll accounts that have lain dormant for years. (Not saying that you are one of them.)
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 11 September 2013 at 5:51am | IP Logged | 7
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How long ago did my defense of my "liberal buddy" happen? I mean really, you wait all that time? Grudge much? Seriously, you need a new hobby.
Hard as it may be to believe, I don't have some kind of evil agenda. Your "taking exception" involved accusing someone of painting you as someone you aren't. Since this is exactly what you did with me, I found the hypocrisy amusing and decided to call you out on it. For someone who doesn't like being painted unfairly, you sure seem to enjoy swinging that paintbrush yourself.
And now I'm a "troll" with "conservative buddies" too? Cool! Now I can carpool to all those NRA meetings and NASCAR events.
You see, you did not notice what I did there, I used your exact type of phrasing to point out, you just did the exact same thing I did to you. But I didn't wait years to strike. But I will be honest, I did not lose one second of sleep over you being upset . But hey I look forward to you slamming me again in a few years!!! LOL
Oh and to add, when you use a term like "liberal buddy" I am going to guess you lean the other way.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 11 September 2013 at 5:53am
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David Ferguson
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The U.N. has proven to be a largely ineffective body of nothing with an architectural mistake on the East River.
*** That's because countries like the US, Russia, the UK and China can veto anything the UN tries to do. In this case, it is Russia.
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Steve De Young
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The Affordable Healthcare Act alone is enough to put a great distance between Bush Jr. and Obama and that's but one of many policies that are a great deal more than "the slightest bit different" than the previous administration.
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I actually think the 'Affordable Healthcare Act' is exhibit A of how they're the same. Remember, the AHA was a Republican plan. It was generated by the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think-tank. It was first used in the state of Massachussets by Mitt Romney, and he was, at the time, exceedingly proud of it and how well it worked. Its nearly identical to what Newt Gingrich's healthcare think tank proposed while Bush was President. The entire basis of the plan was to offer an alternative to a single-payer system that would maintain the private insurance industry and be based on 'personal responsibility', i.e. requiring people to purchase healthcare plans from private, for-profit entities. At its core, it preserves and protects the private healthcare and insurance industries, and funnels huge amounts of government money (in the form of premium subsidies) into that private industry. Remember W's prescription drug plan? The one that protected the private pharmaceutical industry and funneled huge amounts of government money into it in the form of subsidies for seniors? 'Obamacare' is just an extension.
Republican's give this false sense that Obama is some 'radical leftist' because even though he's adopted nearly every classical Republican position on nearly every issue, once he adopts it, the Republicans repudiate it and move even further to the right. He adopts their healthcare plan, and suddenly its a 'government takeover', leading to the slapstick that was Mitt Romney trying to run against it last year. He adopts Reagan's position on nuclear disarmament? He wants to 'leave America defenseless'. He adopts Reagan's position on gun control? He's making a 'gun-grab'. He adopts a stricter view on immigration (making more deportations than any previous President) than W or Reagan and he's 'giving amnesty'. He cracks down on drugs, particularly marijuana, even in states that have legalized or decriminalized certain use, and the Right keeps attacking him for having smoked out in high school. And like every other President since LBJ, he's done nothing substantial whatsoever to help the poor in this country.
The Republican and Democratic parties have just become football teams. Both sides' fans root for their team and hate the other team, but they're both playing the same game, by the same rules, and making the same plays. Obama ran on Hope and Change. Our hopes for him haven't paid off, and nothing has changed.
Edited by Steve De Young on 11 September 2013 at 6:12am
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Steve De Young
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He's a pragmatist and someone who tries to find compromise. That should have been obvious from when he first got national notice when he delivered the 2004 DNC keynote. Unfortunately, he ran into an obstructionist Republican party. You can't effect change if the other side won't grant you a middle ground to reach.
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I agree that the Congressional Republicans are radicalized and intractable, and reject their own positions when Obama proposes them. However, if you're going to attempt to negotiate with people like that, or anyone for that matter, wouldn't your starting offer be closer to your supposed ideology?
What I mean is, again and again, Obama shows up at the negotiating table not with Progressive ideas. His starting point is, at best, a centrist compromise already, and, at worst, is just offering the Republicans one of their own plans. Then the Congressional Republicans pull it even farther to the Right. If you're trying to compromise with the radical Right, you need to argue from the radical Left. If Obama is really a champion of Progressive ideas, he needs to start championing them. I mean what's he afraid of? That they'll call him a commie? Kinda too late to worry about that.
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Wilson Mui
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I have never considered Obama an ideologue. If the idea has merit, I believe he would use it. Anyway, I like it that he is willing to compromise.
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Jodi Moisan
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His starting point is, at best, a centrist compromise already, and, at worst, is just offering the Republicans one of their own plans. Steve true elected liberals are really gone, the label gets thrown around alot. It's really sad.
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