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Rich Marzullo
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No, or at very least we shouldn't go it alone. Lasting peace will come when the citizens of these countries rise up and demand a new nation for themselves. The US is barely taking care of itself; we shouldn't be the world's police force on top of everything.
I will point out the obvious: it is an absolute tragedy and mockery of mankind what is happening in Syria. There also seems to be an unhealthy amount of political posturing from Russia, and for us to get involved in a military fashion may not end well.
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David Ferguson
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The UN is toothless because certain countries have a veto putting them above the others. I believe in the idea of the UN but the veto needs to go. No to going to war to Syria.
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Glenn Brenner
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15 kids were shot over the last 3 months in NYC, alone. I don't even want to know what the number is on a national level. I'm glad Obama is taking the problem head on like he is with Syria...oh wait....
And no, I don't think we should get involved in Syria. We need to address the problems in our own backyard first.
Edited by Glenn Brenner on 01 September 2013 at 8:24am
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Philippe Negrin
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Jeff, this time, we KNOW chemical weapons are being used. It's not based on suspicions as in the case of Iraq.
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Jodi Moisan
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Let's go to war to protect the lives of citizens of other nations, but do nothing as people die by the thousands here at home due to our ludicrous gun laws.
Very true.
Part of me says : What we would spend in a military action, we should use to fund alternative energy. So we can get our independence from unstable mid east countries. Let them work their own problems out.
But as a mom seeing images like this, makes me feel we should do something to stop it.
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John Byrne
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15 kids were shot over the last 3 months in NYC, alone. I don't even want to know what the number is on a national level. I'm glad Obama is taking the problem head on like he is with Syria...oh wait....•• Here's a few numbers to think about. This Nation is absolutely terrified of terrorists. Every year, we spend millions in anti-Terrorist campaigns. TV shows and movies crank up the fear factor by portraying terrorists as evil geniuses who routinely attack our shores, and kill as many people as they like. Yet the total number of people killed by terrorists SINCE 9/11, in the United States, is 33. An average of less than 3 per year. That is what is known to the folk who count such things as "statistically invisible".* Meanwhile, every year an average of some 30,000 people are killed by firearms in this country. That's ten thousand times as many as are killed by terrorists. Every year. Terrorists would have to pull off TEN 9/11s EVERY YEAR -- nearly one per months -- in order to match what we do to ourselves with firearms. ________ * Source: SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
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Jodi Moisan
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I do find it interesting to watch the fringe right flip flop on their attack on Obama.
"Impeach him if he doesn't follow the constitution and launches an attack!"
"He is a weak leader trying to pass off the decision to congress"
I will be interested to see, what congress, that clown car filled govt. body, will end up doing.
All I know is this, I am so glad I work at a bank in Muncie IN and not at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington .
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 01 September 2013 at 10:50am
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Jodi Moisan
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Meanwhile, every year an average of some 30,000 people are killed by firearms in this country. That's ten thousand times as many as a killed by terrorists. Every year. Terrorists would have to pull off TEN 9/11s EVERY YEAR -- nearly one per months -- in order to match what we do to ourselves with firearms.
But the terrorist don't spend as much money buying lawmakers as the NRA does.
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Steven Myers
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But the Syrians are using chemicals. It's okay to shoot people. It's only bad if you use chemical weapons....
Right???
Seriously, I'm not sure what to do. Though I see sending in drones as better than boots on the ground, I don't know if either would be effective.
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Wilson Mui
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Steven, it is about making war less horrible by enforcing rules of conduct. If countries believe they can get an advantage over its enemies without being punished, they will more likely use them.
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Carmen Bernardo
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It is always "the guns" with some of us, yet it is hardly ever who is using the guns. The same could be said about Syria and Egypt right now that can be said about street gangs and wanna-be gangbangers in many of our cities. Any place where the law of the jungle is in play is likely a free-fire zone, especially when there isn't anything like a rule of law that protects the innocent.
My take on the conflict in Syria is that we really cannot be the policeman on that beat if they wouldn't want us. It's getting that way in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well. Whether you have a corrupt political party, a strongman dictator, or rebels and extremists organizing to overthrow the ruling faction to set themselves up as such, it's still very much a Hobbesian world. Survival of the fittest. The people who just want to make ends meet will still be oppressed, regardless of the means taken to oppress them.
On that note, I agree with the people who say "Butt out!" I'd only be in favor of intervention if we can positively identify the group or individual who poses the direct threat to us (as with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda after 9/11). Everything else should just be "We're keeping an eye open".
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Stephen Churay
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There's no good answer to this. You guys would say I'm a right wing
gun nut. Maybe you're right. But, we need to decide if we have the
money or authority to continue being the world's police. No one else
wants us to. I don't see why we should.
If we were going to do this, I think we should have done it after
Afghanistan and Iraq. I mean why stop there. If we really wanted to
route out terrorism, we would have taken out Syria and Iran as well.
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