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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 9:12am | IP Logged | 1
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If Congress says no and he attacks anyway, despite Assad's cooperation, I would have no problem if Congress began impeachment proceedings. This is not what I voted twice for. He is not going to do this, as I said, he is a very smart man. Moments like this, is exactly why people that are in congress and senate should not be out shooting their mouths without all the info. Historically the threat of military strike is enough of a motivator. Obama has way more info than anyone on this forum has. The fact a few on here paint him, as the very worst person, should take a look at themselves, take off their political blinders and support this president instead of constantly trying to tear him down. We may actually get more things accomplished.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 10 September 2013 at 9:34am
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Brennan Voboril Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 9:37am | IP Logged | 2
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Has anyone seen reports, from the UN, that the chemical attack videos were faked? It was on Google News earlier today but is gone now. I hope CNN, or one of our other channels, does a story on this.
Either way, I am happy Obama's been backed down for now. I hope it stays that way.
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Craig Robinson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 9:40am | IP Logged | 3
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The question in my mind, though, is not whether the Pres and Co. have a higher clearance level than me, but whether they have a higher standard of morality. The notion that a country looking down the teeth of a nuclear armed Israel has to be goaded into submission by posturing of the US is absurd. Assad has been fighting Al Qaeda in his country for 2 years and we have not done much to help him. And by striking, we are furthering the cause of AQ in Syria. If Assad authorized CW use on his people, A) other Arab leaders in the region (Iran) will not stand for it and B) he should stand before the Hague for it. Unilateral intervention in such a case is not a doctrine we should be setting. Striking against the will of the American people should also be avoided. PBO is supposed to be unstrapping himself from the Imperial Presidency, not reinforcing it. And keep in mind Jodi that I, too, am an Indiana liberal (not so much a Democrat anymore thanks to drone strikes and Prism). So my objection is not based on any sort of partisanship. That being said, I may disagree with you, but I always appreciate your passion and thoughtfulness in these discussions.
Edited by Craig Robinson on 10 September 2013 at 9:44am
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 4
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Obama didn't back down. He NEVER said he was going to war and he said if a peaceful resolution is not found, we should answer with a military strike. His method worked and should be praised, not continually condemned. Craig if I came off snarky to you, I am sorry you were not my intended snarky target.
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 10:36am | IP Logged | 5
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A pity our Nobel Peace Prize winning President couldn't come up with a better solution than a threat of violence, but at least Syria and Russia were able to come to a potential diplomatic solution. That they made Obama look like a schmuck in the process is probably the icing on their cake.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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The question is would Russia and Syria have come to that diplomatic solution without the threat of airstrikes? We may never know, but I doubt it.
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Craig Robinson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 11:16am | IP Logged | 7
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if I came off snarky to you, I am sorry you were not my intended snarky target. --- Oh, not at all. If anything, I was a bit concerned that I was projecting my frustration with the President and John Kerry onto you.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | 8
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A pity our Nobel Peace Prize winning President couldn't come up with a better solution than a threat of violence, but at least Syria and Russia were able to come to a potential diplomatic solution. That they made Obama look like a schmuck in the process is probably the icing on their cake. LOL The only schmucks I have seen, are those so overcome with political hatred for this president, that they scream "He is taking us into war, Obama is the worst president ever!!!!" "wait what's that, his taking a stand worked and forced Russia to come to the table and not even one missile was fired and we have a peaceful solution.......ummm." "Obama is a schmuck, thank god Russia stepped in and made this all happen!!!! Impeach Obama!!!!!"
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 10 September 2013 at 12:06pm
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 9
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Ya know Jodi, if you ever take off your own blinders of Obama-worship you might realize that not everyone has some kind of irrational hatred of the guy. It is possible to think he's making bad decisions without it being based on political bias. I voted for the guy twice, and I think his handling of this was terrible.
When is this country going to accept that we are not the world's police? I don't recall the other nations electing us their hall monitor. Let the UN do it's job. Maybe that organization wouldn't be so impotent if the US didn't constantly preempt it.
And why is violence, or even the threat of violence, always our "diplomatic" solution? Little wonder we're hated in so much of the rest of the world. This approach has worked so dismally for the last 60 years -- but hey, let's keep doing it!
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Craig Robinson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | 10
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Kerry has issued an ultimatum to Syria regarding a diplomatic deal he is not a part of. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/us-syria-chemic al-weapons-attack-john-kerry Awesome. I tell ya, they have already decided to attack and they are going to keep moving the goalposts until "we don't have a choice." I'm not the only liberal who feels this attack is grounds for impeachment. Dr. Cornel West: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/cornel-west-its-grounds-for-imp eachment-if-obama-bombs-syria And Putin has responded: http://rt.com/news/putin-syria-chemical-weapons-669/
Edited by Craig Robinson on 10 September 2013 at 12:58pm
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Josh Goldberg Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 11
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"Wow.....it amazes me how people have used this thread to protect the Democrat party." **** It amazes me how many people think they're being so cute and witty by refering to the Democratic Party at "the Democrat party". Because then it rhymes with "rat". People let you know exactly where they stand once they do that.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 2:24pm | IP Logged | 12
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Ya know Jodi, if you ever take off your own blinders of Obama-worship you might realize that not everyone has some kind of irrational hatred of the guy. It is possible to think he's making bad decisions without it being based on political bias. I voted for the guy twice, and I think his handling of this was terrible. His stance motivated Russia to find a solution, how much better can it get? My post was directed at those on here and other places on the internet that no matter what this president does, he is wrong.
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