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Kip Lewis
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"This is my wife, Dr. Susan Storm" From issue #4 by
Fraction, Bagley & Farmer.
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Interesting, because unless she earned it off panel, I
don't recall her earning a degree from the time of Millar
and Hickman.
Makes me wonder if they confused Sue with her Ultimate
version who has been a scientist since issue one.
(Then again, can get a doctorate in fields other than
science, but when?)
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Stéphane Garrelie
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I am not totally aware of Valeria's statute. I saw her as a teen (from the future i think) when Claremont introduced her as Valeria von Doom. She was older than the one we see here. I don't exactly remember how it ended but i believe that by the end of Claremont's run after it was revealed that she was the daughter of Reed and Sue she was supposed to be gone.
I learned later that she was reintroduced. So i suppose from what you say (and i believe to have seen others alude to the same thing in the past) her origine has been retconed to make her Sue and Reed's second child from your run?
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 13 June 2013 at 6:51am
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Kip: Having not read the FF in a long time i supposed it was common knowledge and something she earned during Millar or Hickman's run yes. :D Or maybe that she has studied off panel and got her doctorate just before the start of the current run. Which is apparently what happened. :)
Anyway i like a lot the idea of them as a couple of scientists/explorers, which is how i read that issue. Reed, of course is the genius, and she his competent wife assistant, and somehow i saw here more of JB's Sue than in any of the last twenty years or so of FF comics: a smart mature (which doesnt mean old, but adult) woman. Studying to be competent enough to work with her husband, even if not the most probable one, could have been one of the possible futures for that woman.
I also like how the family side of the FF is very present in that issue (and i suppose in that run). With all those good points i find even more sad the Thing/Doom nonsense that is at the origin of this thread.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 13 June 2013 at 6:49am
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Shawn Kane
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With the way that he writes the Fantastic Four, it almost seems that Matt Fraction has never read an issue of the book outside of Hickman's run.
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I didn't read Hickman's run (though at the time i intended to give it a try), but the universe (or whatever of that kind) explorers part (here in Fraction/Bagley) reminds me a lot of JB's Negative Zone saga. Different story of couse but i find in one lot of what i liked in the other. That + smart & adult Sue are things that i enjoyed back in the 80s.Nice to see that character and women in general get some respect in comics.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 13 June 2013 at 11:14am
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James Howell
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Dr. Susan STORM? ...sigh.....Why? I don't care that she's a doctor, but why would she stop using Reed's last name? It's so self-aware and pandering to the audience...My favorite comic book has been turned into the Bionic Six..and I have to pay 4 bucks for the "privilege" to read this crap. No thanks..
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James Johnson
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I have not read a FF book since 1998. And after the looking at what was posted on the previous page.... I'm not missing a thing.
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Right there with you James. The last FF stories I read were from that run Carlos Pacheco did several years ago. I preferred the art over the stories, but at least they weren't trying to rewrite the characters.< ="" id="triggerLogout">< ="" id="signupTrigger">
Edited by Eric Ladd on 13 June 2013 at 1:42pm
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Oh dear... really? This is the reason I read less and less mainstream comics these days. That revelation is not a good idea. :/
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John Byrne
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Dr. Susan STORM? ...sigh.....Why?•• Could be worse. She could be Storm-RIchards, with Reed ALSO being Storm-RIchards! (I wonder if genealogists roll their eyes every time they see a hyphenated name? That particular form was originally reserved for bastards!)
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Why can't they give Sue an actual career separate from being just Reed's assistant (she's already doing that anyway), rather than just tacking on a Doctor title, and using her maiden name? Marvel could say that since her children are growing up, Reed's involvement in Civil War, and with Johnny's "death", she decided to pursue her career interests, away from Reed's work, and truly find her identity outside of her family. She could meet new friends, we see her struggle with her new commitments, while balancing being a wife, mother, and heroine. She makes mistakes along the way, but learns from them. This seems to be a much better way to give Sue a more modern feel than just having her use her maiden name to appease the PC crowd.
Edited by James Howell on 14 June 2013 at 6:24am
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Kip Lewis
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Well, they sort of did. Spoilers for Hickman's FF.
INVISO TEXT (Click or highlight to reveal):
In Hickman's run, Sue became an unofficial
ambassador and then Queen of certain tribes of Atlantis.
These were enemy tribes of Namor's Atlantis. They were
building her a political career. I don't know if she is
still officially their Queen. (Regent might be a better
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But the current run has pretty much abandoned that
direction. Or more accurately, put it on hold.
Edited by Kip Lewis on 14 June 2013 at 7:16am
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