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Jozef Brandt
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This is one of my pet peeves. There have been a couple discussions on here before about it. I remember there was an FF comic a few years ago where Johnny Storm looked like Matt Damon, Owen Wilson, or Neal McDonough *within the same comic book* depending on the picture the artist had clearly traced.
During the Annihilation crossover in the Annihilation Silver Surfer #2 I think it was, they show Annihilus' throne room and it's clearly a photo of the emperor's throne room from Return of the Jedi.
Just makes me shake my head.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Can this trend be just written off as artists wanting to break into the comic biz but lack the skill to do the job?
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Armindo Macieira
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That guy won the Top Cow Talent Hunt! I mean, there they were the Top Cow editor plus Marc Silvestri and from hundreds of entries they chose the one that traces/"photoshops" known actors. Bravo!
I know that Marvel has some strict guidelines about characters looking like known actors, I wonder if Top Cow also has the same guides because if so, that guy might be in a bit of a trouble when asked to draw his first comic...
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Given how difficult doing backgrounds can be to do. I can forgive using a lightbox to help doing them. I see that as the same as using photo reference. But to lightbox the figures. That I don't get.
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Ronald Joseph
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But to lightbox the figures. That I don't get.
I'm going to go as far as to say I don't believe a brush, pen, or pencil ever touched a piece of paper. I think this was all done on a computer.
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Carmen Bernardo
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You know that it's over when you find the winners of talent contests being chosen almost exclusively for their method of tracing photographs and video stills to make a comicbook page...
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Terry Thielen
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honestly, I've always thought it takes longer to find the correct images. then trace the images. Apply whatever cool technique you use. then, move on to the next panel...I've always found it easier to just make it up...
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Matt Hawes
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Jozef wrote:
| ...This is one of my pet peeves. There have been a couple discussions on here before about it. I remember there was an FF comic a few years ago where Johnny Storm looked like Matt Damon, Owen Wilson, or Neal McDonough *within the same comic book* depending on the picture the artist had clearly traced... |
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The thing is, I wouldn't take issue with it if the guy used photos to get the anatomy correct, or the lighting, or fold in the clothing, but to do nothing more than trace is pretty lazy to me. For instance, the artist drawing Johnny Storm could have still drawn a Johnny that looked like "Johnny" even if referencing a photo. Or is that artist really so lacking in imagination and know how that he couldn't tweak a photo in that fashion?
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I'm going to go as far as to say I don't believe a brush, pen, or pencil ever touched a piece of paper. I think this was all done on a computer... |
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I was thinking the same thing. It looks like he just messed with some Photoshop filters. The most he may have done on his own was to touch up some spots, but that seems to be it.
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Matt Hawes
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Lookee! It's not the same filter that the other artist used, but I can draw like Alex Maleev!!
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Brad Krawchuk
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When he was drawing my headsketch of Cyborg, I asked George Pérez how he could be so consistent with his characters. Nevermind Cyborg, but his Hawkeye and Captain America - two blonde haired, blue-eyed guys out of costume - are as distinct as Clint Barton and Steve Rogers as they are when they're suited up for action.
His response was that he "cast" different actors and people he knew as the characters - so for instance, every time he draws Cyborg (who was under his pen at that moment), he's drawing the same guy. He pointed out Vic's small ear, and where it sits on the side of his head, as one of the distinctive features that make him look like Vic. Pretty damn awesome if you ask me, because now that he told me about it, I see it every time I look at a Cyborg drawing by Pérez.
That, people, is how a talented professional not only uses photos, family members, and actors as models for characters, but also how a talented professional stays on model with those characters for decades.
The pictures in the first post? Cheap crap.
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Sue Ward
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Frank Hampson always used photo and models for his Dan Dare comic strip in the 1950's EAGLE COMIC and it looked great so i don't see a problem with it. It didn't mean he could not draw just because he uses photos.
Edited by Sue Ward on 06 June 2013 at 3:56am
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Glen Keith
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There is a difference between using photography as an aid to drawing and using it to replace drawing. Hamilton, Stan Drake, John Severin, Alex Ross and many others took their own photos as reference, which they drew from to give their drawings a little extra realism. That's fine. The guy in question here, and others of his ilk, are taking other peoples photographs, or screen shots from other people's films, and using programs and/or tracing them to "create" their image. It's not fine. It is a problem. It should be labeled plagiarism.
My question about this "talent contest winner" is, where can he go with this style? Short of movie and TV adaptations, where he can permanently indent the pause button on his finger from over use, what else could he "draw"? He seems to be even less interpretive than other artist who work in a similar manner, so I can't quite see him being able to draw the X-Men, or some such fantasy based book. It would seem his options would be limited.
It's even worse that he's spectacularly awful at this, anyway. Look at the panel with Nathan Fillion. He looks puffy, out of shape, and older than he does on the show. He doesn't do Stana Katic (a real looker) any favors, either.
This is why I find myself a little taken aback when I hear artist tell aspirants to trace photographs. It worries me that far too many untalented hacks will hear that and, as this guy seems to, just use tracing as a replacement for learning how to draw. I'm already seeing poorly Photoshopped photos being used as illustrations and book covers. I would really hate to see comics descend into tracing hell.
Edited by Glen Keith on 06 June 2013 at 4:47am
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