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Ronald Joseph
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I didn't want to start what might have led to a massive thread drift over in "Portrait Techniques," so I thought I'd start a new thread.
Over there, JB wrote:
"Cheating" is a word I have truly come to loathe in the Age of the Internet. Time and again I find myself confronted by people -- not in this case, obviously -- who have no idea how the PROCESS works, but have made certain hard and fast assumptions and, finding those assumptions to be wrong, accuse the artist in question to be "cheating".
Now, I just happened to see this today and I wondered where this might fall. All three samples are taken from one page. I've used a lightbox to trace the architecture of some rather tricky buildings (MI-6 bldg in England, for example). But it seems that all of these backgrounds have been done up in Photoshop or something similar.
Then there's this...
If you're going to construct a page using these tools...shouldn't a little more care be taken?
Just wondering what some of you might think.
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Ronald Joseph
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| Posted: 04 June 2013 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | 2
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...and I am just noticing how much the female detective looks like Jennifer Beals...
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Michael Roberts
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...and I am just noticing how much the female detective looks like Jennifer Beals...
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If that's from one of the CASTLE comics, it's probably Jennifer Beals' character or the novel character based on her.
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To me, it goes to show that even if you trace straight from the reference you're using it takes more to make it look right. So, while tracing may seem like cheating not everyone can just trace a picture and have it look good.
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Ronald Joseph
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| Posted: 04 June 2013 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | 5
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If that's from one of the CASTLE comics, it's probably Jennifer Beals' character or the novel character based on her.
This is actually one of the winners of the Top Cow Talent Hunt.
So, while tracing may seem like cheating not everyone can just trace a picture and have it look good.
My big hang up with this is the reversed NYPD and lettering on the side of the police car. Jumped out and hit me like a hammer.
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Stephen Churay
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It would be nice to see the work pushed a little farther from it's source
than what they did here, but not always necessary. The problem I
have with doing this type of art for storytelling purposes is that it's
boring. There's nothing dynamic about it. IMO, it wastes the potential
the medium has to offer a storyteller.
And yeah, if you're going to copy as source, it might be nice to make
sure it's not backwards.
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Ronald Joseph
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And yeah, if you're going to copy as source, it might be nice to make sure it's not backwards.
I find myself going back and forth on this issue - almost on a daily basis!
I consider myself somewhat of a caveman when it comes to art - I love my pencils, erasers, pens, brushes, etc. Although I do use Photoshop at times (it is really cool, I must admit), I tend to favor the "old school tools" on which I was trained.
When I see things like this, the traditionalist (or whatever term people want to use) wants to immediately rally against it. I mean, these pages won a "talent hunt."
When does talent give way to knowledge of Photoshop or some other computer program?
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John Byrne
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The tracing is so extensive and slavish in those posted images, I find myself wondering why they don't just do it as a fumetti.
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One of my big peeves with the first images is - are those daytime shots? How are the shadows so black? Why is it so drab and colourless? I mean, on top of looking lifeless and boring, it looks like they're on some kind of alien planet because the inking and colouring don't match any kind of natural lighting on Earth that I've seen...
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Mark Rand
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Traced panel to panel art as posted in the original example, makes for seriously dull comicbook images.
Edited by Mark Rand on 05 June 2013 at 12:04pm
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Ronald Joseph
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| Posted: 05 June 2013 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | 11
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Here we go. It was "Chicago Code" that featured this Jennifer Beals shot!
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Well the way I see it.It depends upon the intent when using the tools at hand. If it is being done as a design element. Not cheating. If it is being used as a time saver not cheating. If it is being used to accurately capture the likeness of the subject. Not cheating. If you are using it for reference.Not cheating. If you are using them for educational purposes. Not cheating.
If you are using these tools because you don't have the skill to do the job without them. That's cheating.
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