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Pedro Bouça Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | 1
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"Have to disagree. Comics HAVE been back at the newsstands. But it doesnt matter because periodicals in general are dying."
Indeed, just look at the newspapers. The transition to book format is quite importante!
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Doug Jones Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | 2
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Comics are not returning to drugstores and/or newsstands in any effective way. In ten years, there may not even be any newsstands. We are in the midst of a fundamental change in the way periodical information is produced and consumed, and history is not on the side of the traditional print model.
And any proposed "solutions" which depend on Marvel/DC to implement are pure fantasyland. These companies nearly drove the market into ruin while operating independently; now they are mere extensions of two corporate giants with no interest in reviving a failing media model. Their interest: maximizing the most profit out of a diminishing audience, and that is not going to change until the audience is gone.
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Ed Love Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 3
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Printed media, including books, are hurting across the board. Part of that is compared to other retail ventures, the book/publishing model is tough with bad profit margins. It's almost like the publishers don't want stores to be profitable! That's taking money out of their pockets. Factor in an extended bad economy that robs the periodicals of their advertising dollars that are where the true profit is for the periodicals as well as readers deciding there are better things to buy with money such as food, gas, and rent.
Unfortunately, digital isn't going to swoop in to save us either. A few papers and such are trying the digital only route, but it's too early to tell whether there's enough money there to truly cover paying staff and turn a profit. People have gotten into the habit of thinking internet content should be free and see nothing wrong with pirating. The internet is stealing away readers and buyers of print media, but it's not really offering something that is sustainable by itself. Most of your news content online is bankrolled by a print or broadcasting company.
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DW Zomberg Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 1:44pm | IP Logged | 4
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How stupid is Rich Johnson? He thinks a glut of Batman/X-Men/Green Lantern titles is a good thing? That catering to a dwindling, aging fanbase is better than seeking out a wider, younger audience?
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Glenn Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 5
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Doug nailed it.
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John Z Cannan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 6
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Actually, books are not doing that poorly, especially with young adult readership. There is a market out there and a way to make money off of digital comics but no one at the corporate entities at the big two have the knowledge or the desire to pull that off.
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Jesse Perkins Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | 7
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Interesting article. I've started buying comics again after many years away and I agree most with this thought "Twists and shocks are disposable. Good storytelling is forever." Give me a great artist with great characters in a well written story and I'm sold.
Edited by Jesse Perkins on 07 May 2013 at 6:51pm
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Manuel Tavares Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | 8
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"theamount of money to be made off a story that can be read and enjoyed any time isinfinite."
I completely agree.
"the continuity-contingent story It’scompletely disposable entertainment, only enjoyed during themonth it’s published which goal is themoney made immediately upon release. Theydon’t have many prospects in the long-term trade or digital markets."
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | 9
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formatting issues
Edited by Robert White on 07 May 2013 at 8:18pm
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | 10
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Seems like the guy's diagnosis is accurate, but his prescription is a little strange. Can publishers and retailers really make any money on $1.99 comics?
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Manuel Tavares Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | 11
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Yes, Joe Zhang. Retailers have to make a living.
But any way, if they increased the cost of single issues as much as they did, at least they could print the book in better stock.
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 10:48pm | IP Logged | 12
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The problem is that cutting from, say, ten titles which sell 20k each to two titles won't make those two sell 100k each. They probably won't sell even 40k each.
======== Depends on what's kept and what's cut. Besides, if Marvel is putting out 75 titles comprising the Marvel Universe at a cost of $3.99 an issue. I'm guessing that not many are willing to spend $300 or more, with some books selling two issues a month from time to time.
But, if there willing to invest $100 a month on the Marvel Universe, which may be likely, you can get sell through if you cut deep enough. Imagine spending that $100 a month and getting just the Avenger and X-Men related titles. Now, imagine telling the same customer, that there dropping the number of titles in the Marvel U. down to 25 books, and for the same price he/she was paying, they can read the ENTIRE Marvel Universe every month. I bet many would make the investment.
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