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Thomas Moudry
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Just about perfect, that FF run. JB came as close as possible to recapturing
the Lee/Kirby magic, and no one has managed to equal JB's run since it
ended.
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Wallace Sellars
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For some reason, when I think about Ben's height, this panel always comes to
mind.
And yes, I do know that's not really Ben!
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John Byrne
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A curious element of that scene, as with the rest of "This Man, This Monster", altho that's a bad guy IMPERSONATING the Thing, once he was in Thing form Stan wrote him with Ben's kind of dialog all the way thru. I guess the guy was REALLY immersed in the role!!Meanwhile, this panel stuck with me over the years... 
From FF9, Ben's height AND his personality, in one easy reference!
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Stephen Robinson
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Reed refers to the team's "supernatural" powers! Reminds me of the TIME cover for Superman's 50th anniversary (with cover copy clearly written by a "civilian").
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Jesus Garcia
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"Second only to Lee & Kirby" is no exaggeration.
When I was reading the run, I kept thinking "Boy, oh boy, if they could only do THIS with the rest of Marvel's books!!!"
Seriously, Shooter should have made it a policy to leverage the Byrne-FF-Method on the founding books (Spider-Man, Hulk, Avengers) and stuck to his forte which -- at the time -- was dealing with the money-obsessed suits upstairs.
In the end, this is what happens when the Editor in Chief is not as big a fan of the source material as his editors and writers.
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Greg Kirkman
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Those model sheets posted on the previous page are awesome!
I love the early Kirby uniforms, although I prefer JB's drop-shadow symbol to Kirby's "3-D" version (that was dropped pretty quickly into the series).
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Michael Hatton
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This is the first Marvel comic I ever bought. I had a friend that was really into Fantastic Four. I was reading DC at the time. He told me things about Marvel while I told him what was going on at DC. He was complaining about this new guy John Byrne taking over and shaking things up. At the time he was not happy about it.
Much later we talked about this run after I owned most of it and knew Marvel very well knowledge. By then he had come to the realization that this was the best that Fantastic Four had been since Lee and Kirby. He even went so far as to get rid of his big extensive FF collection except for the Byrne issues and what he had of the Lee Kirby issues.
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Eric Russ
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Great work! Thanks for sharing, guys.
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Stephen Churay
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Just about perfect, that FF run. JB came as close as possible to
recapturing the Lee/Kirby magic, and no one has managed to equal
JB's run since it ended.
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In some ways, I think JB's surpasses the Lee/Kirby run. I mean, if
we're discussing sheer creativity, I think the Lee/Kirby run eclipses
anything before or since in the history if comics. In the first 100 issues,
they just showed us so much.
But, where the Lee/ Kirby run continuously dazzled us with new
characters and places, JB really explored those creations and added
so much depth to what already existed. The Negative Zone may have
been created by Stan and Jack but I didn't feel like it had really been
explored until JB came along. The same golds true with many of the
characters that were created in those first hundred issues. Galactus,
Blastaar, Annihilus, The Watcher, Wyatt Wingfoot, The Inhumans all
became richer characters under JB's run. The trick was, they became
richer without betraying what Stan and Jack created.
Also, many characters have become members of the FF and many
have left as well. I don't think any have actually worked with the
exception of She-Hulk. Her membership on the team just made sense
in a way no other has.
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John Byrne
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Reed refers to the team's "supernatural" powers! Reminds me of the TIME cover for Superman's 50th anniversary (with cover copy clearly written by a "civilian").•• Ah, but note that Stan is effectively inventing a word then, by hyphenating "super-natural". Reed is describing the team's powers as "beyond Nature", which in this context is different from "supernatural", which is magical.
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John Byrne
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I love the early Kirby uniforms, although I prefer JB's drop-shadow symbol to Kirby's "3-D" version (that was dropped pretty quickly into the series).•• I doubt Kirby really meant for the emblems to be "3D" (or embossed). The shifting drop shadow he drew was a fairly common comic convention, like the part in Li'l Abner's hair always being toward the viewer. Just something that made it a little bit easier to pound out those thousands of panels.
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John Byrne
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This is the first Marvel comic I ever bought.•• 262 issues after my first. Now I feel REALLY old!!!!!
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