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Eric Kleefeld
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There's an odd thing about "writing for the trade."
If you do single issues that are chock full of story by themselves, guess what: The trade paperbacks are better, too!
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Aaron Smith
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Yes!
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Peter Martin
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I hate decompression and whenever I've delved back into Marvel monthlies I've been put off so badly by the lack of progress in the story that it just reaffirms that I was right to stop reading them with any kind of regularity in the first place. A waste of time and money.
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Robert White
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Not to mention that a six or eight issue trade from, say, 1979 is simply going to give you more story than one from 2013. I purchased the first trade of the New52 Justice League.
I haven't read it yet, but I'm studied every page, and it's amusing to me how many "splash-pages", many double-paged spreads, are used. I generally like Jim Lee's art, and from an illustration perspective it's great, but the storytelling and "streeetching" of story elements is absurd at times.
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Shane Matlock
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You can read most new comics in about five minutes or less. At three or four bucks a pop that's some really terrible bang for your buck. You could get three movies at Redbox for that and be entertained for hours.
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Bill Collins
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That`s the reason i no longer buy any Marvel or DC comics,there`s no value or entertainment for your $4,never mind the fact that the characters are no longer the characters i grew up with.As for Alan Moore,i think his early work on 2000AD`s Future Shocks and his Warrior work being limited to 3-6 pages due to the weekly format in 2000AD and lack of budget for Warrior helped hone his skill at compression.As for Marvel/DC,i think there`s two reasons,writing for the trade and employing novelists who either can`t or won`t write concisely.
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Stephen Churay
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Here's the worst side effect of decompression; now reading older
books sometimes feels like work. I've noticed that I've actually gotten
lazier in my reading. I've had to force myself to get into an issue, I
know is good, but for some reason, I browse through without reading.
Once there, I'm fine, but getting started feels like a chore sometimes. I
never used to be that way.
Bendis may have perfected it, but it has been around a lot longer. Let
me go on record as saying, Jim Lee's DEATHBLOW #1 has the least
amount of content, for a single issue, I've ever read. That was twenty
years ago.
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Pedro Bouça
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I remember Deathblow #1. Didn't buy it, of course (Image had already burned me out on the first few #1 issues), but a friend showed it to me for precisely that reason. "Just look at that, nothing happens on the issue!" It was true. Nothing happened. He didn't go back for #2. I don't understand why the Bendis audience does...
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Shane Matlock
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Bendis comics actually have more reading than most these days because the guy is obviously in love with the sound of his own dialogue. But I don't want to read an Avengers equivalent of a David Mamet play where nothing happens.
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John Byrne
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"Writing for the trade" is like making movies with the DVD release as the ultimate goal. Unfortunately, there are directors who actually do this. Peter Jackson, for instance, was utterly unabashed in letting it be known that the versions of THE LORD OF THE RINGS released to the theaters were "unfinished" and everything would be brought properly together in the "Director's Cut" DVDs.
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Robert White
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I've noticed the same thing, Stephen. If I work my way back into reading older comics, and only older comics, it gets easier and easier, but jumping around from the new comics I read like Saga and The Sixth Gun can be jarring.
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John Byrne
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Bendis may have perfected it, but it has been around a lot longer. Let me go on record as saying, Jim Lee's DEATHBLOW #1 has the least amount of content, for a single issue, I've ever read. That was twenty years ago.•• When I was working with Chris Claremont, and did not yet have a whole lot of input on the plotting side, I complained a lot that Chris had a habit of doing three part "arcs" that were really two-parters with a "middle bit". Often I would sit down with a stack of Lee/Kirby FFs, or Lee/Kirby SPIDER-MANs, and be amazed at how much STORY they was in a single issue, even if it was a "chapter" of a multi-part "saga". There was STUFF GOING ON, and by comparison what Chris and I were doing was slow as molasses.
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