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Robert White
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I love Neal Adams but...WTF? Seems like he and Frank Miller, with All-Star Batman, were satirizing the modern obsession with darkness and violence. I hope that's the case, at least...
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Flavio Sapha
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| Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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that meant sharing the cash with Mike W. Barr
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Sad!!!
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 05 March 2013 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 3
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They're writing themselves into a difficult corner. As others have suggested, the inevitable next step is another Robin, and then eventually another death/retirement, then another Robin.
We've already had four Robins, which is bad enough. Once they get into 5 or 6 Robins it's just going to be preposterous.
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Aaron Smith
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| Posted: 05 March 2013 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | 4
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And what was wrong with just keeping Dick Grayson around, DC? They never should have aged him out of the part.
Solo Batman stories are great too, but there's no reason they couldn't have just not had Robin be around sometimes!
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Eric Smearman
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| Posted: 05 March 2013 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | 5
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Peter: Technically, Damien is Robin #5. Stephanie Brown (Spoiler or
Batgirl III) was Robin for awhile. And "preposterous" is a pretty good
word.
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Monte Gruhlke
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While I don't agree that a character’s brutal death needs to be seen as presented (the shock factor passed a LONG time ago) I do agree that there is plenty of reason for Batman to have a Robin.
Once you start reasoning that "the world is too dangerous" you're missing the point of superhero comics and buying into the dystopian deconstructionist schlock. By that reasoning, it is pointless to have teenage superheroes, or those who already aren't military-trained to deal with a world where most of the super villains are >yawn< serial killers.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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| Posted: 06 March 2013 at 12:35am | IP Logged | 7
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I don't like the art in that scene. Robin gets impaled and he doesn't make a sound. Really?
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Stephen Churay
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Well ramming a pencil through a guys eye isnt too violent, right?
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Yeah, that's the one scene that makes the movie objectionable. But
there's
nothing like it in the other two.
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And here I wouldn't let my 9 year old step son watch it (TDK) because
drops Eric Roberts from two or three stories up and shatters his legs
with an audible cracking sound.
I wouldn't let him watch BATMAN BEGINS until he was 10 because I
didn't want him sleeping in our bed after being freaked out by the
Scarecrow and Batman fear gas scenes.
The Batman comics have gotten ridiculously bloody since the New52.
Why? Probably because the Morrison pre-52 Batman and Robin book
was a best seller. It was the most gruesome of the bat books. So now,
they all get dialed up to 11!
As far as Adams 13 issue ODYSSEY graphic novel..?
After looking at my portfolio, I mentioned to him that I thought a lot
current creators were going in bad directions. My portfolio was my
chance to write and draw certain characters the way I thought they
should be done. His advise to me was, my thoughts are irrelevant.
Writing and drawing a four page story that has an early 70's to mid
80's style makes IT irrelevant. If I wanted to work for the Big Two
today, I had to create the story as they would today. I don't have to
agree with it but, if I want the job, I do it there way.
My theory is, that's what we see with the blood in ODYSSEY. The
boss wants bloody Batman stories, he gives them a bloody Batman
story. Again just a theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't go a
bit over the top, as a satirical statement on the subject. Adams is a
pretty sharp guy with a lot of opinions about comics.
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Andrew W. Farago
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| Posted: 06 March 2013 at 1:56am | IP Logged | 9
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The Nolan Batman movies would've given me nightmares as a kid, and I'm not sure I would've warmed to the character if he'd been a dark, scary guy living in a dark, scary world. The Batman on Brave and The Bold is a lot closer to the one that made me a fan of the character. I have my doubts that the new Superman movie is going to win over younger audiences the way the Christopher Reeve movies did.
The New 52 had a chance to wipe the slate clean and give us Dick Grayson as a ten-year-old Robin, but fans liked him too much as Nightwing to lose that character. And fans apparently liked the back from the dead Jason Todd-as-Red Hood too much to let him go. And Tim Drake was too popular as a Teen Titan to lose that. And Damian was too fun a character to write out. I think the current history is that Stephanie Brown was never Robin (which hopefully gets rid of one of the worst DC Comics I ever read, in which Leslie Thompkins let her die to teach Batman a lesson), Tim Drake was never Robin, and Jason Todd must've died almost immediately after replacing Dick Grayson, who had to have been about 18 when he started superheroing. Nice and streamlined, right?
Damian Wayne was one of the best new characters to hit DC in a long time, though, and I'm sorry he's gone. I can only assume that the next Batman storyline is going to be an intervention where the rest of the Justice League steps in and refuses to let Batman have sidekicks ever again. If you count Stephanie Brown, he's let three out of five Robins die. If you don't, and if Tim Drake wasn't a Robin, his average is actually much worse, with two out of three Robins dying on his watch. No decent animal shelter would let you take a dog home if 60-70% of your pets died under mysterious circumstances; why would Superman let you keep dressing new kids up as Robin every other month?
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 06 March 2013 at 2:59am | IP Logged | 10
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Damian was created in a lab. He's only Batman's biological
son in that scientists used some of Bruce's stolen DNA,
along with Talia's, to make him.
And apparently the character who killed him was an
artificially aged clone of himself.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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| Posted: 06 March 2013 at 4:24am | IP Logged | 11
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Is it a side-effect of having multiple incarnations of the same character that they become disposable? Robin died once and it made headlines, so obviously it has to happen again.
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Mikael Bergkvist
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OK, I want to make this clear, pedophiles are monsters. But killing an 11 year old like this is OK?
Both options are sick, but if one would top the other..
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