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Kevin Brown
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What's even worse is that the creator (Art Baltazar & Franco) found out it was cancelled when they saw the solicits. NO ONE from DC contacted them about it. The editors at DC are getting shittier and shittier...
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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I'm quite surprised that all Superman books aren't ALL AGES. Surely he's the perfect example of a superhero that is for kids.
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Francesco Vanagolli
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When I was a kid Marvel published a Spider-Man series based on the tv show. It was also published in Italy, due to the big popularity of Spider-Man in my country. I picked a lot of Spider stuff, but NEVER that title. Why? Because the "for kids" book seemed to me a "fake" one. That was not Spider-Man... that was "another Spider-Man". So why should I read it?
This is why I never got into the kid lines at Marvel or DC... and, I suppose, several childern/kids had my same opinion.
No offense to these particular comics, but I don't think Marvel and DC should print version for kids... the regular ongoings should be the one for all ages.
I followed All new Batman the brave and the bold and it was the best Batman title in my opinion. But... I felt something missing. Alright, nice stories. Alright, good art. But there was no Bruce Wayne! No personal life! They were selling an action figure (based on Dick Sprang desing and, for this, beautiful), but I wanted a complete Batman comic book. And a complete Batman comic book involves Bruce Wayne, Wayne Foundation, or Enterprises, or any "Wayne something" he's running now, Alfred, commissioner Gordon.
Now, I was not reading Superman Family but, knowing previous works by Baltazar and Franco, I'm sure it was high quality work, too (and I'm gonna catch the trades. Are they pocket sized?). Yet, I'd prefer to see their writing and art in totally new stuff, with new characters, in a line for children/kids of course. The current two Superman titles (the only DC ongoings I'm following) aren't bad at all, I'm enjoying them and I think a kid could read them without particular problems (especially Superman*).
*excluding the "Clark sees Jimmy under the shower with a girl" panel. "It would had not happened with Curt Swan at the drawing board" department!
Edited for typo.
Edited by Francesco Vanagolli on 18 January 2013 at 10:59am
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Stephen Churay
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When I was a kid Marvel published a Spider-Man series based on the
tv show. It was also published in Italy, due to the big popularity of
Spider-Man in my country. I picked a lot of Spider stuff, but NEVER
that title. Why? Because the "for kids" book seemed to me a "fake"
one. That was not Spider-Man... that was "another Spider-Man". So
why should I read it?
This is why I never got into the kid lines at Marvel or DC... and, I
suppose, several childern/kids had my same opinion.
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Generally, you're right. Nobody likes to sit at the kiddie table. That's
why DC's actual line should be all ages.
In my case it worked. Not because this book was all ages, but
because it was a kids book and my kid is three.
It seems to me DC editorial is working in a vacuum. They want to do
there jobs with out having to DEAL WITH pesky writers, artists, or
even readers. Kinda reminds me of a line from CLERKS. "This would
be a great job, if it wasn't for all of the f@$&#! customers." I wonder if
this quote is posted on a wall anywhere in DC's offices?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 18 January 2013 at 11:36am | IP Logged | 5
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I'm quite surprised that all Superman books aren't ALL AGES. Surely he's the perfect example of a superhero that is for kids.•• Twenty or more years ago, DC "darkened" Congorilla. Essentially, no one up there has had anything like a clue ever since.
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Bill Catellier
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Another vote for wishing they had stuck with Tiny Titans. And yes, all Superman titles should be all-ages. Getting harder and harder to find books for my kids.
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Bill Guerra
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I think one of the main problems at DC is the fact that they have two publishers. Speaking from my own personal life experiences, its VERY difficult to have two people in charge. Who gets final say when they don't agree? Employees always have a "favorite boss", so thats the one they will cater to. Communication becomes jumbled. Once DC fixes the two publishers deal, then they go about addressing their editorial problems.
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Robert White
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I think the problem hinges on the fact that Marvel and DC are resigned to being, as far as the comics go, a small part of a greater entertainment whole. If this is the case, it's no longer their "job" to bring in kids--let the movies, toys and games do that. So, I suppose, they're free to write fan-fic till something gives.
I'm completely out of touch with what kids from the ages of 8 to 13 (the old core audience) like these days as far as entertainment options. From the small information that I've gleaned from observation, they seem to like much the same things as they used to: dinosaurs, robots (Transformers), Star Wars, etc. Walking through Wal-Marts toy isle is much like walking down one when I was a kid, save for the step up in the quality of the sculpts, etc.
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Stephen Churay
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From the small information that I've gleaned from observation, they
seem to like much the same things as they used to: dinosaurs, robots
(Transformers), Star Wars, etc. Walking through Wal-Marts toy isle is
much like walking down one when I was a kid, save for the step up in
the quality of the sculpts, etc.
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That's the thing. Kids aren't different. We just treat them differently.
We used to give them true all ages material that was cool. Once we
as a society, selfishly decided to excuse our faults and bad behavior,
in some cases celebrate it, it wasn't a big leap to think that many could
care less about setting a good moral example for the next generation.
I have to agree with Bill, but I think it's worse than that. You have
Co-Publishers, a Chief Creative Officer and an Editor-In-Chief. All of
whom are very hands on. Who's running the show over there? Do
even THEY know? I'm thinking they don't.
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Wallace Sellars
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...the regular ongoings should be the one for all ages. [sic]
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Agreed!
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Francesco Vanagolli
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| Posted: 18 January 2013 at 4:26pm | IP Logged | 11
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Stephen Churay:
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That's the thing. Kids aren't different. We just treat them differently.
We used to give them true all ages material that was cool. Once we
as a society, selfishly decided to excuse our faults and bad behavior,
in some cases celebrate it, it wasn't a big leap to think that many could
care less about setting a good moral example for the next generation. |
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Wise words, Stephen! I notice how "society's bad" is a classic excuse for not giving children positive examples... well, this shouldn't stop Marvel and DC in doing something about this. I'm not telling comics should educate children. It's up to their parents. But I can't see anything bad in writing heroes and showing them that an alternative is possible.
I often hear that today's American comics are aimed at kids... I'd say they are aimed at what some adults believe kids are.
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David Ferguson
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What's even worse is that the creator (Art Baltazar & Franco) found out it was cancelled when they saw the solicits. NO ONE from DC contacted them about it.
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I listen to their podcast and they seem like REALLY nice guys. At least they have a creator owned kids book in the work.
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