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Shawn Kane
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I'm dying here. Time to re-read some stuff!
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Luke Styer
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Even without going down the road of "all mainstream superhero comics should be all-ages," which I don't think is such a bad idea itself, I really don't see why Superman comics wouldn't by default be all-ages. I can see Batman, for instance, skewing darker and a little older even in an all-ages line, but I really don't see Superman as dark.
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Ronald Joseph
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"Harry's Hideaway" was the bar in Salem Center where the "new" X-Men hung out, the Coffee A-Go-Go was the coffee house where the original team went. I'm dying here. Time to re-read some stuff! Ha! This made me laugh. And let's not forget The Auger Inn, where Logan occasionally went when he was "feeling dirty and mean." It was a "bucket o' blood," so to speak. I think it may have only popped up once or twice, though. :)
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Stephen Churay
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Even without going down the road of "all mainstream superhero
comics should be all-ages," which I don't think is such a bad idea
itself, I really don't see why Superman comics wouldn't by default be
all-ages. I can see Batman, for instance, skewing darker and a little
older even in an all-ages line, but I really don't see Superman as dark.
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Books like THE PUNISHER and X-Men have always skewed a little
older due to the themes they take on. I can even except a more
mature Batman title set away from continuity. But, someone needs to
be realistic about which characters are entry characters. I'm talking
about characters that have long been so popular that they've become
pop cultural icons. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man,
Captain America, and Hulk are all characters that civilians have heard
of before the current Hollywood craze without ever having picked up a
comicbook.
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Michael Todd
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You know, I found it odd even as a child, that my grandfather who lived from 1889 until 1972 knew about Superman but had never heard of Batman.
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Brian Lewis
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Stephen wrote:
Has there been a genetic mutation develop in the current adolescent
population of the ENTIRE globe?! Children are a blank slate. They are
whatever you put into them. If a 10 year old child is more adapt at
handling violence, sex and language, it's because there parents
allowed them to do so.
Children haven't changed. Many parents and other adults have simply
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You say this as someone who doesn't have to raise children, or hasn't for long.
Children are different because the entire world is different. What is considered is different. People aren't wholly who they are just because of their parents, but because of the entire world around them. A failure to accept this is what leads to failure as a parent. Parenting is a game of football where every play is a punt.
Children are different because the world is different. Let me give you a practical example for yesterday. I finished meetings and got home early to make dinner for the fam. It was about 3:30 or 4:00 in the afternoon. The 6th grader was already home and walking the dogs. I flipped on the TV and it was already tuned to ABC Family channel. Its a staple channel in our home. Anyway, it turns out that rather than Leave it to Beaver reruns or some other "all ages" fare following an out-dated paradigm from long ago, they show a multi-hour block of That 70s Show for the after-school, latch-key crowd. Yesterday's after school special was all about how Donna and Eric had sex for the first time and it was awkward and weird, but after the guys got together and discussed it while smoking up and Kelso was able to commiserate with Eric because it turns out he wasn't really an Apollo Rocket of Love his first time with Jackie after all. In the end, Donna and Eric just realized that their relationship doesn't have to be awkward after all, they just need practice, and lots of it.
Lazy parenting is expecting the TV or the comic book or the video game to be some sort of "all ages" model so you don't have to talk to you children. Lazy parenting is not taking the time with your kids to discuss the world that they are going to come across and experience in the world.
So, that said, going back to the topic at hand, what, specifically in the currently published Superman comics, makes it not all ages?
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Bill Conway
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What's the deal I've heard about Jimmy Olsen being changed to "Jenny Olsen"? Is this a reboot, Jimmy's sister, or will Jimmy have a sex-change operation? I guess the idea here is to what...? provide some competition for Lois? Stranger and stranger does the world of comics become... Paging Dr Wertham...Dr Wertham...you are needed again great sir!
Edited by Bill Conway on 25 January 2013 at 9:36am
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Clifford Boudreaux
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This is not that...That is to say apples to oranges comparisons. The technology for playing games has changed in astounding ways. You cannot compare games of today to games of the 80's. Also, the arcade games that you are describing were best played in the surroundings of an Arcade...it's real easy to forget the social aspect of playing in an arcade; no parents around, surrounded by and challenging you peers. Now days you can have all that at home.
Totally agree with that. I countless hours on some of these games and they're lucky to get ten minutes out of me these days.
Today's single player games are about exploring new content, not replaying the same level over and over again with the only difference being the speed at which they throw things at you. Although the enduring success of Tetris demonstrates this can be thoroughly addictive if the concept is simple enough. Today's simple games require a stream of new content such as Angry Birds and Cut The Rope.
Replaying the same level over and over again is the domain of multiplayer these days, where you pit yourself against the skills of human opponents.
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John Byrne
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Paging Dr Wertham...Dr Wertham...you are needed again great sir!•• 
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Taavi Suhonen
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Bill Conway wrote:
| What's the deal I've heard about Jimmy Olsen being changed to "Jenny Olsen"? |
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IMDB lists Jenny Olsen as a character in the upcoming Man of Steel movie. I don't think there's been an official confirmation whether she's a gender swapped Jimmy or just his relative.
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Stephen Churay
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So, that said, going back to the topic at hand, what, specifically in the
currently published Superman comics, makes it not all ages?
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On a couple of occasions, Clark has walked into friends who obviously
just had sex. Some of the deaths have been a little gruesome. Then
there are just themes or plot points that are geared toward older kids.
DC Comics agrees. It says so right on the cover: T for TEEN!
As far as my parenting goes. I've been at the game for 3 1/2 years.
Our TV stays on Sprout for the most part. The majority of the DVD's
are Disney films. Most of his Superhero watching is from the 60's
Filmation Superman, 70's Filmation Batman, 80's Ruby Spears
Superman, and the SuperFriends. Every now and then he watches
Spectacular Spider-Man, Avengers:EMH and the Timmverse cartoons.
I don't let him watch those all the time because of the violence.
I understand he needs to be prepared for the harsh world. But maybe,
just maybe, if enough parents teach there kids to be a bit more
innocent, not naive, innocent, we can raise a generation that can stop
the downward spiral our world seems to follow.
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Aaron Smith
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And the parade of genius ideas from DC continues as they're adding the phrase "WTF Certified" to all their April covers to signify that these issues will all contain a shocking event!
I remember being a kid and worrying that my mother would find a "hell" or a "damn" in one of my DC comics. Now it's "WTF" month???
Nice covers too in the preview article I just saw. Let's see...we have:
Batman standing behind some guy who's crawling in a puddle of blood.
Batgirl throwing some guy off a rooftop with drops of blood.
Batwoman standing in a river of blood.
John Constantine laying in a puddle of blood.
The Flash impaled on a sword and dripping with blood.
The Demon grabbing some woman with splattering blood.
Batman looking especially mean as his mouth drips with blood.
Deathstroke in chains with blood.
The Flash holding onto some apparently dead guy who's oozing blood.
The Phantom Stranger being impaled on some kind of blade but, surprisingly, not spurting any blood!
Hawkman in a constipated looking fighting pose with blood.
A Suicide Squad cover with blood.
A cover for a book called TALON (which I'd never heard of until just now) featuring a guy in a puddle of blood.
And a handful of other (mostly ugly) covers that, miraculously, don't have any blood!
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