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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 December 2012 at 11:46pm | IP Logged | 1
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And now because I'm laying my beliefs out there that children who suffered in death may find some peace in death...I'm sick.
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If a devout person were in mourning, and someone used that death as a platform for talking how about there is no afterlife and that person in mourning should just move on, it would be inappropriate and ill-timed. Similarly, trying to comfort non-believers with empty platitudes about heaven and God's plan is equally insulting and inappropriate. I understand that believers have trouble comprehending that what may be comforting to them is insulting others, but it is. Just offer your sympathies and move on.
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Stephen McGrath Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 December 2012 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | 2
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Consider me "move on'd".
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Jeffrey Langford Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 1:02am | IP Logged | 3
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Australian Gun laws seem to be fairly effective. No were near the population but Terrible things like this happening are few and far between.
Edited by Jeffrey Langford on 15 December 2012 at 1:05am
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 1:49am | IP Logged | 4
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Guns are BIG business in the U.S. so it will be very hard to be rid of your gun culture with so many fingers in that pie.Over here in the U.K. the main gun problem is black on black gang related in the inner cities.It is frightening to see how things are slowly becoming more like the U.S. I remember going to Florida on holiday around Oct 2005 and being told as we landed in Sanford that a new state law had come in to force that month that meant if a member of the public felt `threatened` they were legally allowed to shoot you.So we were warned not to get into any road rage incidents or arguments with locals.Over here if you get into a road rage situation or altercation the worst you can expect is a punch up,or rarely a stabbing,the chances of being shot are minimal.Also,if you fall out with your parents,as most teenagers do,the chances of a shooting incident are virtually nil. I wonder if second term Obama will have the liberal testicular fortitude to ban the public ownership of guns? If he does,it will be a very difficult thing to implement.I hope he does,for the sake of all U.S. citizens.
Edited by Bill Collins on 15 December 2012 at 1:52am
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Leigh DJ Hunt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 1:53am | IP Logged | 5
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As has been mentioned before here in the UK we rarely see guns. Even our police don't usually carry them so when I do see one its quite an odd sight. I have never seen a gun in the hands of anyone other than a police or army officer.
I was contemplating what I would do if I suddenly went postal. If I snapped and decided to kill my boss and co workers what would I use? I wouldn't have any possible way of getting hold of a gun. No way. So I guess the most lethal thing I'd have would be a kitchen knife. What is the most number of people I could kill with one of those before I was stopped?
Gun control is the answer. If it doesn't happen now with Obama not needing to worry about re election, will it ever?
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Trevor Phillip Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 1:59am | IP Logged | 6
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But Jeff -- Australia never had a revolutionary war where "rights to bear arms" were needed for the civilian militia
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Philippe Negrin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 3:48am | IP Logged | 7
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I would be so glad if Obama were remembered and celebrated in US History as the President who finally put an end to the right to bear arms in the constitution. Come on B.O., now is the time !
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Trevor Phillip Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 4:34am | IP Logged | 8
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I was discussing the notion of citizens being allowed to easily buy guns, etc with my father -- and he made a pretty good argument for carry permits, etc -- but then I just simply asked him to make the same argument for citizens being able to easily buy these insane automatic weapons -- not just concealable handguns -- but AR-15s etc. Asked him to support citizens owning dozens of hunting rifles (my father was a hunter who has owned dozens of rifles over his 78 years, but only 3 or 4 at a time).
He couldn't find the same support for his argument.
It makes no sense.
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Each citizen should be allowed to own one non-sporting hand-gun for which they must be LICENSED and REGISTERED for before the possession. This is easily achievable in today's world through computer data bases and creating some jobs in each state within Federal Law Enforcement agencies. The license must be renewed each year and the handgun licensed/registered must be produced at the time of renewal.
If you want a new or different gun, your old gun must be surrendered before purchase/license/registration of the new gun.
Special licensing will apply for sporting pistols and sporting pistols.
Hunting rifles should be handled similarly, with restrictions of the quantity owned by the individual.
Sporting rifles / shot guns handled similarly to sporting pistols.
No military grade assault weapons will be legal for ordinary citizens to own or possess. These weapons will be limited for military and law enforcement use only.
I can not think of a single reason why the ordinary citizen needs to own a military grade assault weapon like an AR-15, AK-47, M-16 etc etc
THEN -- really, really regulate the sale and manufacture of ammunition.
This won't prevent the true psychos of America from shooting people -- but it's a good start.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 4:55am | IP Logged | 9
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Alot of "Little Angels" made it to Heaven today. (This is the only thought I can muster out of my brain today that helps.)
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 15 December 2012 at 5:11am
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 5:18am | IP Logged | 10
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Here in England, gun laws are very tough. It meant that the Olympic shooting team couldn't even train in England, they had to go elsewhere. There are guns, of course, but shoot-outs are very rare.
On my local news bulletin the other day, a jewellery store had been robbed. The robbers entered with hammers and smashed quite a bit and left the owner with a black eye. They actually showed the footage on the news. Now, whilst gun incidents do happen over here from time to time, they aren't as easy to get hold of. Of course, this didn't change the intent of the robbers, but because it's harder to get hold of guns, they entered the store with hammers. That's no consolation to the store owner (and his bruises looked awful), but he is at least alive and was able to fight them off because they only had hammers.
I could probably understand someone wanting to own a gun if they lived in a failed state where there'd been a complete breakdown of law and order. However, I fail to understand why the gun laws of the US. Years ago, in WCW Magazine, a wrestling publication, Teddy Long, a manager, wrote a column that wasn't much about wrestling, but he said something about guns. He said something like, "If you parents own a gun, tell them to get rid of it responsibly because it can lead to tragedy." That comment always stuck in my head and makes sense now.
On the issue of God, I wouldn't attack anyone's religious beliefs (I'm not saying anyone here has), but this is hard to take. I'm not sure what I believe or which, if any, religion is true. We often read about miracles in the Old Testament and New Testament. When I hear of a news story like this, and think about, say, Moses repelling the Egyptian army with God's help, I think about why couldn't anything be done yesterday. Why couldn't God make the shooter's car crash? It is times like this that I question whether there is a God.
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Clint Ludwick Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 6:26am | IP Logged | 11
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I have been an Infantry Paratrooper for over 13 years, with multiple combat tours. I have never owned a personal firearm in my life. Terrorist generaly don't come to our houses.
Edited by Clint Ludwick on 15 December 2012 at 6:37am
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2012 at 6:50am | IP Logged | 12
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I made the mistake of reading some of the comments posted below a Yahoo article about this terible event yesterday. Are these people really that stupid? Myaor Bloomberg of NYC urges President Obama to do something about the availability of guns. Good for Bloomberg! He's absolutely right. And these morons are suggesting that Bloomberg is a hypocrite if he doesn't give up his armed security detail. Do they really not see the difference between the mayor of a huge city having trained armed guards and ANYONE being able to acquire automatic weapons?
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