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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5819
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | 1
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http://iradiophilly.com/conversation.php?idConversation=1796
Another gunman, another shooting spree, and this time three state troopers were also injured in the final shootout which killed the gunman. But hey - three TRAINED people with guns getting injured AFTER three civilians got killed was all it took to take down the suspect.
Look for the NRA statement in a week saying we should find the funding for FOUR armed officers per school.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:01pm | IP Logged | 2
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LaPierre of the NRA wants armed guards in kindergartens? Some of those schools have problems buying crayons. The NRA is smoking some fine, fine stuff whilst admiring their gun collections.
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John Leach Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | 3
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Columbine had armed police.
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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | 4
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Columbine also had two perpetrators who WANTED to kill as many police and emergency personnel as possible. Part of their plan was laying bombs around the school then setting them off after the cops showed up to create further chaos and rack up the body count after the school had been evacuated.
Not only did the threat of a huge number of armed officers NOT deter Klebold and Harris, they actually accounted for those armed opponents and included them in their list of targets.
The fact is, the whole bomb portion of the Columbine attack was a failure and if it hadn't been, not only would the body count have been greatly increased but many of those deaths would have been the very people the NRA want to now put in schools as a supposed preventative measure for this kind of thing. That was THE PLAN OF TWO TEENAGE BOYS. It's already proven itself not to be a deterrent because of that alone.
Edited by Brad Krawchuk on 21 December 2012 at 6:54pm
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5835
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | 5
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Isn't the video game backlash Wertham-think? Most of these killers are young males. Of course, they play video games. Correlation is not causation.
The CT shooter probably also drank soda. Maybe that's what warped his mind.
Pardon my cynicism, but I'm concerned when the reaction to these massacres is a proposal to "cure evil." Good luck with that.
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David Plunkert Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 8:00pm | IP Logged | 6
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Violent video games could be part of a cocktail. Not the determining factor but a possible contributing factor to desensitizing someone if there's other problems at play.
On its own its a bit like blaming the growers of brussel sprouts for gas.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 7
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So the problem is Freedom of Speech, not the Second Amendment? I have a feeling these gun nuts would be willing to sacrifice the rest of the Bill of Rights to keep their silly guns.
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Shaun Barry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 10:06pm | IP Logged | 8
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Don't you see that the rest of the country looks upon New York like we're left-wing, communist, Jewish, homosexual pornographers? I think of us that way sometimes and I live here. -- ANNIE HALL The way the gun-toting, Republican God nuts want to run this country, I dare say we could all use more left-wing, communist, Jewish, homosexual pornographers in our lives, thank you very much!!!
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11300
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Posted: 22 December 2012 at 2:28am | IP Logged | 9
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In today`s Daily Mail there is a double page photo-spread of different U.S. families/people justifying their ownership of some quite scary weaponry.One claims it`s because it`s his `God given right under the second amendment`(So it`s what god wants?) another because he`s Jewish and a lot of his people were turned into `air pollution` Most of the shots include children and/or family pets,i` find that a desperate attempt to try and make them seem acceptable,but the pictures showing young kids that look to be pre-teens holding military style assault weaponry disgusts me.
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Craig Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 November 2010 Location: United States Posts: 1756
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Posted: 22 December 2012 at 7:08am | IP Logged | 10
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Reading some of the quotes from NRA Chief Wayne LaPierre - in particular, "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"...
*** I guess LaPierre cannot recall that Ronald Regan, James Brady and a police officer were all shot by John Hinckley while in the presence of some of the best trained armed guards in the world. None of whom shot Hinckley.
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Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2012 at 7:34am | IP Logged | 11
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Hinkley, like many other shooters, was stopped after he ran out of bullets. Another reason ammo capacity should be restricted.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 22 December 2012 at 7:46am | IP Logged | 12
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Violent video games could be part of a cocktail. Not the determining factor but a possible contributing factor to desensitizing someone if there's other problems at play.•• Of course violent videogames could serve to inspire violence -- if the individual is irrational to begin with. As noted many times, the Bible has inspired a LOT of violence in the centuries it has been around. But, there too, there has to be a degree of irrationality -- sometimes deliberate -- already in place. The "cocktail" is there, but most of us decline to drink. Most of us are rational. Problem, tho, is that this undeniable truth is inspiring some to blame ONLY the mental health issues. We don't need more gun control, they'll say, we need better health care to look after these irrational people. Which we do. But more gun control wouldn't be a BAD thing, either. Not in a RATIONAL society.
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