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Ronald Joseph
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What a pity Kirby didn't get to shine in those first 100 issues of FF!
That's a very black & white way of interpreting what I wrote, even if you're just busting chops.
Kirby was brilliant in just about everything he did, but after 100 issues of an FF sans double page spreads, even he felt the urge (rather than need) to do them.
I could equate an artist doing a double page spread to a singer who feels the need to belt out an extra long high note every now and again in a song. Sure, we already know he or she is a great singer. Why not indulge every now and again? "Every now and again" being the key phrase.
Something that is unnecessary isn't always a waste is what I'm saying.
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David Plunkert
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Kirby was brilliant in just about everything he did, but after 100 issues of an FF sans double page spreads, even he felt the urge (rather thanneed) to do them.
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There is an economic argument for artists feeling that "urge." 2 pages of splash is typically going to be a quicker thing to draw than 8 to 16 panels of narrative.
Edited by David Plunkert on 23 October 2012 at 12:43pm
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Ronald Joseph
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There is an economic argument for artists feeling that "urge." 2 pages of splash is typically going to be a quicker thing to draw than 8 to 16 panels of narrative.
Sometimes.
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John Byrne
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What a pity Kirby didn't get to shine in those first 100 issues of FF!++ That's a very black & white way of interpreting what I wrote, even if you're just busting chops. Kirby was brilliant in just about everything he did, but after 100 issues of an FF sans double page spreads, even he felt the urge (rather than need) to do them. •• As the story goes, Kirby asked for a raise and was told to "draw less" so he could produce more pages, instead. This is supposedly why his work suddenly started being mostly 4 panel pages and splashes. And, eventually, double page spreads, too. Not drawing double page spreads does not lead to a explosive bursting of the dam. To suggest otherwise displays a remarkable ignorance of how an artist thinks and works.
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John Byrne
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There is an economic argument for artists feeling that "urge."2 pages of splash is typically going to be a quicker thing to draw than 8 to 16 panels of narrative.++ Sometimes. •• "Tyically". That means "not all the time", right?
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Ronald Joseph
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Not drawing double page spreads does not lead to a explosive bursting of the dam. To suggest otherwise displays a remarkable ignorance of how an artist thinks and works.
Did anyone suggest otherwise?
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Flavio Sapha
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RONIN was the book that first made me notice the DPS abuse. Miller was experimenting a fusion of European and Japanese comic narrative elements and all...some DPSs he did then became instant classics...others, felt like they were just padding the book.
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Ronald Joseph
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I didn't read the book this spread was featured in (Avenging Spider-Man, maybe?), but I thought it was beautifully done.
Joe Mad's work had gotten way too anime/manga for me for a long time, but I think he knocked this outta the park!
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Charles Valderrama
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George Perez knocks these out of the park every time!!!
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Joe Hollon
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The #1 job and priority of a comicbook artist is to be a visual storyteller. In that sense, a double-page spread and/or splash page can be a waste. I was trying to think of a equivalent for cinema and this is what I came up with: slow motion. You know how some movies use slow motion action scenes WAY too much and it loses its effect and becomes eye-roll-inducing? Sorta like that. Or maybe CGI would be a better analogy: just because you can doesn't mean you should. I know there have been some recent comics I've read where entire double-page spreads were used for headshots. Yes, headshots. I know what they were going for, but a single splash page at MOST would've been just as effective.
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David Miller
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Why stop at a mere double-page spread?
Frank Miller (3 pages)
Jim Steranko (4 pages)
Jim Lee (5 pages)
Brian Hitch (um, 8 pages?)
And not a square foot wasted.
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David Miller
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It's ironic that at a time when print technology has apparently made regularly publishing these uberdupermegaomni spreads possible, they're a pain in the ass to appreciate, or even unreadable, when viewed on wave-of-the-future iPads and e-readers, which can comfortably accommodate at best a single-page splash.
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