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Joe Hollon
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Paul wrote: "It is only one half of a page. It is more well known than 99% of any DPS. Is it any less fun or impactful?"
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I can't believe Marvel hasn't released a maxi-series titled WOLVERINE: SEWER detailing all the behind the scenes stuff happening in that famous panel!
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Nathan Greno
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Paul: It is only one half of a page. It is more well known than 99% of any DPS. Is it any less fun or impactful?
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I'm not saying every panel should be a double page splash.
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Paul Greer
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I didn't think you were. I love a good double splash page. I also get the point that most of them are not really needed for a story. I think the Alpha Flight spread you've posted is awesome. But the page that has the most impact in the entire issue is page 37. I think the argument that double splash pages make more of an impact is not the best argument. That is why I posted the Wolverine panel. It isn't the size it is in the way you use it. At least that is what my wife tells me.....Wait. What? Did I just say that out loud?
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Stephen Churay
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If there's one thing that minimizes the impact of a big picture and
delivers less story its having every page be a splash or dps.
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David, normally I'd be with you on this, but in this case I have to side
with the Superman creative team. If you go back and look, with four
issues left in the story, that issue had four panels per page. The next
issue only had three panels per page. The issue before Superman 75
only had two panels per page. That led to this issue which was all
splash pages. The entire creative team was creating a count down
that over those four books began to speed up the story to its
conclusion, which is the spread you posted. To give that image weight
in an entire book of splash pages, they made the image above take up
three whole pages. Your image above is missing a page.
Again, normally I'd agree with you but in this case, it's my opinion, that
the Superman team pulled off a rather unique storytelling device that
few picked up on. As a reader, I personally felt the impact of there
decision to handle the storytelling in this way.
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Nathan Greno
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Paul: I think the argument that double splash pages make more of an impact is not the best argument. That is why I posted the Wolverine panel. It isn't the size it is in the way you use it.
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I really do feel like a DPS in the right story context can be a big, punchy surprise. I feel that large size art can make a bigger impact on the reader (see my X-Men #115 post above). It's all about context.
I also feel double page splashes really are FUN! I also feel pin-ups and letter pages are FUN! I guess it makes sense that comics are A LOT less fun than they used to be (imho!).
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David Plunkert
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Again, normally I'd agree with you but in this case, it's my opinion, that
the Superman team pulled off a rather unique storytelling device that
few picked up on. As a reader, I personally felt the impact of there
decision to handle the storytelling in this way.
iiii One's mileage on the death of Superman might have depended greatly on the age of the reader as to whether it could be enjoyed as a comic story or tossed off as a cynical news gimmick. I was old enough to be pretty cynical about this particular storyline when it was published. But I was still young to be positive about many other things!
I gotta say that I don't remember the device of the panels per page counting down as the story progressed but I do remember the final death issue as a very quick read.
It didn't hurt sales from what I hear...and he did get better.
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Stephen Churay
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I was still pretty naive about death in comics at that point. I hadn't
been a collector of X-Men at all, so the only real comic deaths I
remember really biting on was Captain Marvel and Guardian. Both of
which at that time were still dead as far as my reading went.
Superman 75 was a quick read, but at that point I had been reading
this slugfest for about 7 issues. so, it felt longer than the one issue. Of
course, when they broke Batman's back shortly after, it felt like they
were going back to the catastrophe well too many times. That's what
turned me into a cynic about stunts like that.
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Eric Smearman
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This is a great thread!
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Greg Woronchak
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I think a DPS is a good option when there's a scene loaded with action
or characters (the Perez example pops to mind); the extra space allows clarity and detail while producing
an 'oh geez' reaction from the reader.
Going back to the original image,
the Nightwing example is a single character shot over a needlessly rendered
background; it just seems indulgent and unnecessary to me.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Again, while one may find the dps aspect of it unnecessary, it certainly didn't come across as indulgent to me or even without merit, since it is the first established shot of the city and Nightwing's first issue.
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John Byrne
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Establishing a city environment, it seems to me, would be better accomplished over several panels -- which could also take up no more than one page, freeing the next for STORY. As this is the first shot of Nightwing, a more dynamic pose wouldn't hurt, either.
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For some weird reason, my focus of that piece goes to the cloaked statue (?) in the lower left corner.
Plus, Dick looks like he's 'running on air', if that makes sense.
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