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John Byrne
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I happen to know Jim Valentino. Was sitting in a bar when we had him at our con in St. Louis last summer and he was telling me all about the founding of image and how they were all breaking it to their families they were leaving a great paying gig with Marvel to take this huge risk. He said all of the founding of Image stuff in the book is b.s. and from what I read in the book and what he told me I know that's the case.•• I don't recall anyone at the time seeing the Image venture as a "risk". An experiment to which we all paid attention, yes. But risk? Malibu was absorbing the financial "dangers", if there were any, and even McFarlane has admitted they knew Marvel would welcome them back with open arms if they did fail. (I do recall that when the Image-to-Be boys made the announcement that they were going to Malibu to form their own "imprint", Valentino was seen by many as the odd man out. McFarlane, Lee, SIlvestri, Liefeld, Portacio and even Larsen had been assigned to highly successful Marvel titles, but not so Valentino. Perhaps his view of the origins of Image are specific to his own experience.)
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Fred J Chamberlain
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He said all of the founding of Image stuff in the book is b.s. and from
what I read in the book and what he told me I know that's the case.
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And that is what it really comes down to, isn't it? You know only what
he told you and so you really don't know anything. You compare one
account to another and make a determination. don't confuse that with
"knowing" facts. I enjoyed the book, but as with any reporting of an
event or history, I take it as a reporting. American history becomes
much more believable when getting original sources and comparing
accounts, rather than accepting what it taught by a few generations of
rote memorization.
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Robert White
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I fail to see how any author doing a book like this can go on anything but the accounts of those that were there. Unless you can get a time-machine, and turn yourself invisible while taking notes, this is the only method available to us.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Of course it is, Robert. I didn't say anything otherwise. My point was
believing to know something as fact simply because that is the
information that you were given is faulty thinking. Taking a story told by
one of the participants while seated at a bar as factual over a book that
cites multiple sources and going on to label the book as b.s. is careless
and irresponsible.
I have stated a few times in this thread that I enjoyed the book. I got a
sense of the evolution of the company as well as many anecdotes. I
don't, for a minute, believe that I know any of it to be absolute fact.
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John Byrne
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I still think the best "history of Marvel" book is Stan's ORIGINS OF MARVEL COMICS. It was written long enough ago that memories were still fresh, and Stan -- contrary to popular mythology -- gave all due credit where credit was due.It doesn't cover anything beyond the early years, of course -- but there's not much of anything beyond the early years that really MATTERS, unless one is really interested in watching the Company mutate and decline.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Hm, the only book by that name that I was aware of was a collected
reprinting of first issues, printed in the 70's.
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John Byrne
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Hm, the only book by that name that I was aware of was a collected reprinting of first issues, printed in the 70's.•• Hm. There was accompanying text.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Cool. I had read a copy as a young'un, but must have skipped over the
pages with all those pesky words and no pictures.
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Jay Schimel
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I know Valentino wasn't on one of the majors at Marvel JB. All I know is what he told me. And Fred, don't tell me I don't know anything when I'm sitting across the table from one of the founders of Image hearing his stories about it. When I hear it straight from the source I take it as fact. It's not like I read it in a magazine. Maybe his view on it is skewed but it came straight from him. So it's not taking one account against another and taking it as fact. It came straight from the source.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Jay, I'll repeat it. All you know is what you were told. Without even
going into the several factors behind his reporting those events, that
reporting to you doesn't equal knowledge of anything other than what
he said at that time. It constitutes many things for a person in your
postioon, but fact and knowledge of actual events isn't one of them. I
hadn't mentioned it previously, but listening to him in a bar doesn't
consititue knowing him, in my opinion. I have no axe to grind here and
certainly have nothing against you, but your use of knowledge is
flawed.
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John Byrne
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Lost cause, Fred.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Yu only say that because you know me.
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