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Fred J Chamberlain
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Marvel Comics were such an important part of my childhood that the
opportunity to learn more about the "magic" of the bullpen and the
history of the creators and the product is something I value. Like all
history reported, I expect it to be subjective, based on the reporter and
the sources used. That aid, what I am reading is a subjective reporting
of imperfect people that led to the creators that i appreciated creating
and adding to the characters that I love. I am not walking away with the
idea that anyone was despicable, though with Jim's statement above, II
am especially looking forward to the possiblility of discovering that Ross
Andru was an admirable man.
Edit: I experienced a few Atlas books as a kid, but didn't pay them
much attention. After reading the names involved on those books, I am
beginning to explore eBay to pick up a few of the titles to take a peek.
Edited by Fred J Chamberlain on 22 December 2012 at 11:09am
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John Byrne
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I am not walking away with the idea that anyone was despicable, though with Jim's statement above, II am especially looking forward to the possiblility of discovering that Ross Andru was an admirable man.•• Not actually what Jim said, tho, is it? He said Ross is the only person mentioned who isn't later made to look bad. Not looking bad is a far cry from being "admirable". (Ross was a decent guy, no complaints here. Working with him was a joy. But, in the context of this book, that's not the same thing.)
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Possibility.
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Al Burr
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Thanks for being pointed to this thread as I'm currently reading this book.:)
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Fred J Chamberlain
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I enjoyed it for what it was. I didn't find most people to be portrayed
negatively. They were portrayed as human, with human weaknesses.
The only despicable behaviors depicted were enacted by higher-ups
and outsiders who tried to influence and milk money out of the
company with no regard to the creators working there.
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Andrew W. Farago
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Here's the first of three articles from The Hooded Utilitarian on reappraising Jim Shooter's legacy.
Pretty good read, and lots of food for thought about the Shooter era.
Edited by Andrew W. Farago on 07 January 2013 at 3:48pm
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Josh Goldberg
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"Shooter responded by disallowing the Jean Grey Returns FF story he had previously fully approved, ordering massive rewrites and redrawing, and even going so far as to get Claremont to do the rewrites." **** JB, can you be specific about the changes that were made? I recently re-read that story and was curious about which words and pictures weren't yours, and what you had there before it was changed.
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Matt Wieringo
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I enjoyed the book and couldn't put it down but I took every word with a grain of salt. A lot of the anecdotes in the book seemed to be of a "he said/he said" nature and the author arbitrarily went with whichever version he felt like. Also, as I got closer to the end, I got more and more depressed by the corporate maneuvering. I know that's life but...damn.
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Thomas Moudry
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Now, I'm envisioning the Superman/Fantastic Four crossover we could have
gotten if JB had stayed on FF.
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Jay Schimel
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I read it. I happen to know Jim Valentino. Was sitting in a bar when we had him at our con in St. Louis last summer and he was telling me all about the founding of image and how they were all breaking it to their families they were leaving a great paying gig with Marvel to take this huge risk. He said all of the founding of Image stuff in the book is b.s. and from what I read in the book and what he told me I know that's the case.
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Joel Tesch
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Thomas: Now, I'm envisioning the Superman/Fantastic Four crossover we could have gotten if JB had stayed on FF. That tantalizing thought it was what spurred me to get my first JB commission! http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24462
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Tim O Neill
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No offense to Sean Howe, but I would rather read a stack of comic books.
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