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Robert White
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| Posted: 12 October 2012 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 1
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Tell me about it. I would hardly classify your West Coast Avengers and Namor as being anything other than progressive takes.
Englehart had some interesting ideas about the FF...
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John Byrne
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Like I said, never heard a word of this when I was at Marvel in the Seventies. Certainly nobody was telling Chris and me we had to "hold back" and "not change" on X-MEN. As you may have noticed!Remember, people seemed almost eager to over-react to things Stan said in those days. Looking at a page of George Tuska IRON MAN, Stan noted George was drawing the face way too flat. "Shouldn't he have a nose?" he wondered aloud, meaning "Shouldn't there be some indication that the guy wearing the mask has a nose?" Next thing you know. . . When Stan was shown Iron Man's nose, months after the fact, he ordered it removed immediately.
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Jason Czeskleba
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JB wrote:
| The history of the Duck is less dependent upon the DEGREE of editorial oversight, than it is on WHO was doing the editing. |
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I wasn't trying to suggest that Howard received his own title due to lack of editorial oversight. And I'm sure you are correct that Gerber didn't have any long-term plans in mind for the character when he created him. My point was just that if there'd been more editorial oversight, Roy Thomas would have killed the character at the plotting stage, and he never would have appeared at all. The lack of editorial oversight is what allowed the character see publication in the first place, thus setting in motion the chain of events that resulted in him receiving his own title.
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John OConnor
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just for the heck of it...
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Felicity Walker
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I love the 1970s work of veteran artists like Curt Swan, Gil Kane, and Jack Kirby. In fact, for Kirby comics, the 1970s are my favourite era.
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John Byrne
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I was disappointed -- and annoyed -- today to learn that this book repeats, apparently without fact checking, the myth of my having "made faces" at Marv Wolfman when I was in the audience for his law suit against Marvel.A simple reading of the transcript debunks this story, but I guess we're into the "print the legend" school of "journalism" here.
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John Byrne
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ust for the heck of it... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-omMkf6yw6FI/T80YFwsYimI/AAAAAAAAEj c/mbV1ub7nc0c/s1600/Brunner-Mystique-p.jpg •• Hadn't seen that before. Very funny! For those unfamiliar, a little context: 
The reference, of course, is to Howard having gotten his own book, whilst ROG continued to languish in obscurity.
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Kevin Sharp
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I was disappointed -- and annoyed -- today to learn that this book repeats, apparently without fact checking, the myth of my having "made faces" at Marv Wolfman when I was in the audience for his law suit against Marvel.
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JB, The edition I read of the book doesn't make any mention of this. Your words at the deposition are covered, but nothing beyond that.
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Steven Legge
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It's in a footnote, and referenced from an interview with Wolfman from The Comics Journal in 2001.
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Kevin Sharp
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Thanks, Steve. I read the galleys but no footnotes.
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John Harrison
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This book really just left me depressed. I think it would scare anyone away from ever pursuing a dream of working at Marvel or DC.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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I actually heard about the book the week it was to be published and
just ordered it this evening, never having known that there was a
thread here about it. I am looking forward to reading it.
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