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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 6:53am | IP Logged | 1
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Kevin Pierce wrote:
Hitch is talented but he shouldn't be getting that amount, since he can't get work in on time. If someone is not reliable they shouldn't be hired. But oh well, the world isn't fair. |
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That seems a trifle unfair Kevin.
-Darren
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Stephen Rockwood Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 7:04am | IP Logged | 2
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Darren Taylor wrote:
Kevin Pierce wrote:
Hitch is talented but he shouldn't be getting that amount, since he can't get work in on time. If someone is not reliable they shouldn't be hired. But oh well, the world isn't fair. |
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That seems a trifle unfair Kevin.
-Darren
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I would say instead that anyone who cannot meet a deadline should take on work with less of a deadline. That seems a little more fair.
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Anthony castrillo Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 7:13am | IP Logged | 3
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The guy is AMAZING, regardless of his ability to keep a
schedule. Most guys of his calibre work months ahead(Jim Lee
being a good example) just to keep up.Afterall who knows what
personal problems may arise-it would seem unfair to critizize
when we're no previ to his day to day existence.
Lokk at tthe amount of work that goes into just one of his pages-
most artists put less than half the effort in a whole book.
Bottom line-he's worth the wait.
MAC
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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 7:15am | IP Logged | 4
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Stephen Rockwood wrote:
I would say instead that anyone who cannot meet a deadline should take on work with less of a deadline. That seems a little more fair. |
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True, work within your parimeters. But to say that artist A can't meet deadlines is an exageration. Am I then to assume that Artist A has never met a deadline ever? Am I assume that out of all the links in the chain of production, that Artist A was always the perpitrator of the delay? Am I to assume that Artist A is taking on commitments with prior knowledge that he/she has no intention of meeting them?
Just seems to me that the statement/arguement is flawed in so many ways that it can only be salvaged if the arguer knows something that isn't present in the arguement!
If that's the case, then present it! I'll be happy to pass the thoughts on to Bryan.
-Darren.
Edited for spelling.
Edited by Darren Taylor on 14 March 2005 at 7:17am
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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 7:20am | IP Logged | 5
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Anthony castrillo wrote:
The guy is AMAZING, regardless of his ability to keep a schedule. Most guys of his calibre work months ahead(Jim Lee being a good example) just to keep up.Afterall who knows what personal problems may arise-it would seem unfair to critizize when we're no previ to his day to day existence. Lokk at tthe amount of work that goes into just one of his pages- most artists put less than half the effort in a whole book. Bottom line-he's worth the wait. MAC |
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Bryan does put a lot of information on a page but I wouldn't say it's any more or less than say John does, it's just presented in a different manner. I can't say that I -Know- that Bryan has never let a personal problem effect his deadline but I will say that I'd be shocked as that certainly wasn't the Bryan that I knew.
-Darren
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Stephen Rockwood Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 7:28am | IP Logged | 6
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Darren Taylor wrote:
Stephen Rockwood wrote:
I would say instead that anyone who cannot meet a deadline should take on work with less of a deadline. That seems a little more fair. |
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True, work within your parimeters. But to say that artist A can't meet deadlines is an exageration. Am I then to assume that Artist A has never met a deadline ever? Am I assume that out of all the links in the chain of production, that Artist A was always the perpitrator of the delay? Am I to assume that Artist A is taking on commitments with prior knowledge that he/she has no intention of meeting them?
Just seems to me that the statement/arguement is flawed in so many ways that it can only be salvaged if the arguer knows something that isn't present in the arguement!
If that's the case, then present it! I'll be happy to pass the thoughts on to Brian.
-Darren.
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Oh, I have no opinion about said artist's (I assume we are still talking about Hitch) ability to meet deadlines. It was just that the previous statement was such that he didn't deserve such-and-such a page rate if he can't meet deadlines. I think that is ridiculous personally. Whenever the artist turns in the art it is the same art he would have produced regardless. It should be worth the same amount. The idea that less art might be produced during a given time is just lowering the amount of money that the artist will make. This really can't be helped if an artist's turnaround time is slow (I've found that it varies from artist to artist and doesn't really have an affect on the quality of the art good or bad).
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 9:38am | IP Logged | 7
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Hitch is worth every dollar he gets paid, as is John Byrne. What ever the reason that Hitch doesn't make his deadline none of us can comment on. Some artist just aren't as fast as they would like to be . From personal experience I can tell you no fan or client would rather a artist be faster then said artist him or herself. Marvel should adjust it's publishing date on the Ultimates to suit Hitch if they wish to have them be their artist .If they don't wish him to be or aren't satisfied with his not being able to reach the deadline then they should replace him. Not all of us are as fast as Byrne dang it ! I know i sure as hell wish I was.
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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 22 April 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 6026
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 8
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I don't think I would go so far as to say that the publisher should bend the deadline around the artist. I agree with Stephen in-so-much that an artist knows his or her own limits and being honest with what their workload can take, the editorial staff can be free to find suitable/complimentry stand in artists.
An artist may be able to do 24 books a year but only do 11. If they are signed up to do 11 a year then there's only the requirement for one fill-in book.
If Bryan was unreliable I'm pretty sure Marvel wouldn't have tied him up with a x-year contract just recently.
-Darren
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Anthony castrillo Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 10:56am | IP Logged | 9
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Well, just to lighten things up a bit.
ART!! I mean SKETCHES!!
MAC
By the way, what i meant by "day to day" was one should not
assume that an artist is lazy because he or she can't meet a
deadline , sometimes little things occur that prevents us from
commiting fully to a job. I don't know Mr. Hitch and would never
pressume to understand his responsibilities. We all have lives
and sometimes life gets in the way.And yes he deserves what
he gets (whatever that may be) he's paid his dues and that's
that.
Edited by Anthony castrillo on 14 March 2005 at 10:58am
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Clint Adams Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 10:59am | IP Logged | 10
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Life does not get in the way. Life is the most important thing. We get wrapped up in "me, me, me" to think that others need a bit of "me" time too.
The only wish is that there would be "fill in" issues like the old days to keep things on schedule.
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Anthony castrillo Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 11:13am | IP Logged | 11
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Well Clint in the high stakes biz which is comics, Your life ends
up being comics-a classic parody being COMICBOOK GUY
from the Simpsons. You literaly forget to enjoy "life", consumed
with deadlines, convention appearances, groupies (ok, maybe
not groupies) editors riding you,it's not pretty. I know ALOT of
guys in the biz who spend their lives in their studios. Don't
become one of them.
MAC
And you're right, the fill-in issue is needed.Plenty of good books
would benefit by having the artist take a break to recharge.
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2005 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | 12
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i'll agree with Anthony post especially with the fill in issue. I nominate John Byrne to do all fill in issues besides the three titles he is working on a month on top of what ever other endevor he has seeing as how he is &nbs p; &nbs p; 'THE REAL FASTEST MAN ALIVE!!'
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