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Marcel Chenier
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I get the de-uniqueing of a character.

But, wouldn't adding a Muslim character to the Corps be similar
to adding a Black man--The Falcon--to Captain America's book?
It's social politics 101 (in GL's case, at the cost of the book itself,
but that's not what I'm talking about here).

So, with all the Gay, Muslim, Female, Trans-, whatever, people
now populating comics, how is this any different than adding The
Falcon back in the day?
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None of this is really suprising. Ever since the New 52 started, Hal Jordan has been a supporting character in Green Lantern IMO.

True.  Where were all the complaints about a magenta-skinned guy taking over as Green Lantern a year ago?
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Where's Bucky when you need him? please oh please retcon Bucky as Caps younger gay lover

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I get the de-uniqueing of a character.

But, wouldn't adding a Muslim character to the Corps be similarto adding a Black man--The Falcon--to Captain America's book?It's social politics 101 (in GL's case, at the cost of the book itself,but that's not what I'm talking about here).

So, with all the Gay, Muslim, Female, Trans-, whatever, peoplenow populating comics, how is this any different than adding TheFalcon back in the day?

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Adding Black characters was correcting a long-standing offense.

Now, I have an Arab-American character in TRIO, and I did not bother to make a point of him being a Muslim. I hoped the readers would ASSUME he was a Muslim, and therefore it would not be necessary to state it unless so doing was a vital part of the story. In the same way we don't announce that So-and-so is Jewish, or Catholic, or Buddhist, unless that's an important element of the story.

In the case of this Nu52 character, what with his spotty background and tattoo, it would seem his being a Muslim is the worst kind of tokenism: the "creators" don't seem even to have done any research on what it means to be a Muslim.

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You're probably right, JB.

I don't expect that much from The Establishment comic companies.
After posting, I wondered about a possible int'l comic book market for this character, but after your comment, this seems less likely.


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In the case of this Nu52 character, what with his spotty background and tattoo, it would seem his being a Muslim is the worst kind of tokenism: the "creators" don't seem even to have done any research on what it means to be a Muslim.
As I mentioned, Geoff Johns is of Lebanese descent and comes from Michigan which has a large Arab-American populations. And they make a point of mentioning that a tattoo is considered "haram" in Islam in the issue. The character doesn't come off as a very devout Muslim But being a Muslim does impact on his life. 
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Not being a very devout Muslim raises one big question: WHY BOTHER?

If DC is going to make a publicity stunt out of this character -- which they have -- diluting him seems pointless. Or is the point to make him "safe"?

"It's okay everyone! He's a Muslim, but not a SCARY Muslim."

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Hey, y'know how many of us say that today's comics read like fan fiction?  And remember JB reminding us that the first story a creator would tell as a fan is the last one they should tell as a pro?

Well, today I read this quote from a convention panel with Dan Didio:


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When the New 52 began, writers were told to “write as if they were writing fan fiction."



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Not being a very devout Muslim raises one big question: WHY BOTHER?

If DC is going to make a publicity stunt out of this character -- which they have -- diluting him seems pointless. Or is the point to make him "safe"?

"It's okay everyone! He's a Muslim, but not a SCARY Muslim."

That's a good point. So far the character comes across as an American who happens to be Muslim. Making him a Muslim from the Middle East or Southern Asia would have been more interesting and groundbreaking. 

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Mikael Bergkvist
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The 99 is better fare if we are to discuss muslims in comics in any case.
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Oh some people are going to love this quote. At the Baltimore con, someone (may have been Didio, not sure) apparently said:

"When the New 52 began, writers were told to “write as if they were writing fan fiction.”

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When the New 52 began, writers were told to “write as if they were writing fan fiction."

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Which is pretty much what they've been doing for the last decade or so anyway.

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