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Brennan Voboril
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Seems like this was done late in Jack's career. Does anyone know exactly when Kirby penciled it?
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Shaun Barry
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Guess I'm in the minority, but I think it looks great. We can pick the nits, but this one image looks more intriguing and mysterious to me than anything M***** has been churning out for the past 10 years or so.
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Robert Cosgrove
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The forearm webbing doesn't bother me too much. What really detracts from the image, for me, is the facial webbing. The curves of the webbing should dip inward, toward the center. Like, dare I say it, a spider's web. Here, as he did in other places, Kirby draws the curves bulging outward, away from the center--like flower petals. I don't think there's anyone who seriously contends, anymore, that Kirby designed the costume of the Spider-man that actually saw publication. But here's additional evidence that he didn't, or at least evidence that if he did, Ditko corrected it.
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Dan Marcoux
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I like that it's recognizable as both Kirby and Miller, and Spider-Man. I
would happily frame it and hang it on the wall next to my other pieces.
Edited by Dan Marcoux on 17 August 2012 at 4:05pm
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Valmor J. Pedretti
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Not my cup of tea, definetly.
And since it's FM, it gives me the feeling that Spider-Man is coming to punch people to death, instead of saving anyone.
The other one is pretty cool!
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Joe Hollon
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I love Frank Miller's art up until about 1982. Then he changed his style SO drastically, I don't quite know what he was thinking. But I haven't cared for it since. *******
You're probably a Miller inked by Janson fan then. The DAREDEVIL work for example was 50% Janson if not more. I love how Miller's art has evolved. Personally I much prefer SIN CITY to DAREDEVIL from a purely art perspective.
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Michael Todd
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QUOTE:
| I don't think there's anyone who seriously contends, anymore, that Kirby designed the costume of the Spider-man that actually saw publication. |
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Here's JB's quick take on Kirby's Spider-Man design from a few years ago. 
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Lance Hill
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Kirby never really had a firm grasp on Spider-Man, and Miller's inks only make it even more off model.
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Eric Smearman
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I like 'em both. The Royer piece may be less off-model but not by that
much. Again, fun one-offs that I wouldn't want to see in the regular
books.
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Derek Cavin
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That picture looks like two clashing art styles. Very strange.
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Frank Stone
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>>Seems like this was done late in Jack's career. Does anyone know exactly when Kirby penciled it?<<
Early-to-mid 1970s, according to the editor's note at the beginning of the book in which it appears (Jack Kirby's Heroes and Villains). Here's a short article:
http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/kirby/archives/141
And just for the heck of it, I dug out my copy and made a scan of the page with "Spiderman":
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Paul Greer
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I love Frank's inking of this piece. Like Dan said it is both Kirby and Miller at the same time. I can't stop looking at it.
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