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Michael Todd
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I think that in a lot of cases the only thing that ever crosses their mind is their own overblown egos.
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Glenn Brown
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Kip Lewis wrote:
Maybe they are like a friend of mine in HS
who didn't get these all black costumes
like Neal Adams' Havok. He said, black
clothes don't look like that. You could say
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That was the whole point. Havok's costume was deliberately designed to be non-reflective matte black in order to convey the absence of light, as if the light around him was being sucked into a void like a black hole.
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Joe Zhang
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Havok's NOW outfit breaks up the sleek flow of the original design. Why even bother with the concentric circles and headgear? And Scarlet Witch's new costume really isn't a costume at all.
Why is there such antipathy towards colorful, flattering costumes among fans and pros? Why does reaching out to new fans and hanging onto the old mean having to abandon all the things that make superheroes fun and unique?
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Kip Lewis
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And Scarlet Witch's new costume really isn't a costume at all.
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It looks more like a costume than the gyspy outfit George Perez
designed for her.
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Joe Zhang
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I don't know if it's more or less than Perez's gypsy outfit. But yeah, even the grand-masters of supehero art are influenced by whatever direction fandom coalesces around (90's Image, 00' Marvel, etc.)
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Mike Norris
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The Scarlet Belly Dancer costume?
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Kip Lewis
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Anyone wants to know why super-hero costumes need to be practical;
that (Scarlet Witch's gypsy costume) is a prime example. Yeah, she
doesn't fight physically, but that costume couldn't be less practical.
(Anyway Marvel costumes from the beginning have been more
functional than DC. The Big 3 from WW2, didn't have capes. Only one
had a mask. And the first silver age heroes also, no masks, no capes.
In fact only two of Marvels Big heroes of the 60s had capes (Thor and
Doctor Strange). So, Marvel always tended to be more practical; butler
still super.)
Edited by Kip Lewis on 18 August 2012 at 10:54pm
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Michael Todd
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I like the original look the best. 
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Francesco Vanagolli
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When George Pérez first introduced Scarlet's then new costume, I wondered how could she fight. It seemed so unpractical.
But the new one... bleech. Ditto for Havok's. Rogue's reminds to me the original, which wasn't bad. Well, it wasn't a real costume, either...!
But, returning to the thread's main subject, I cannot see Captain America there. Sorry. I'm a fan of JRJr.'s work, so I'm sorry to miss something he is doing, but I dropped Cap last year and I don't feel compelled to read this new series even if he is drawing it. And the "costume" is part of my refuse. I have seen Captain America resembling more and more a G.i.Joe for ten years.
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"Anyone wants to know why super-hero costumes need to be practical;
that (Scarlet Witch's gypsy costume) is a prime example. Yeah, she
doesn't fight physically, but that costume couldn't be less practical."
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What's impractical about it? I admit it seems a little skimpy for Wanda, especially in the above drawing, but otherwise I see no reason that it would be a hindrance in her duties. Maybe it does look like a "belly-dancer" costume, but I've seen belly-dancers pull off some incredible moves in those outfits.
Really, in the end, all a good superhero costume needs to accomplish is two things: (1) make the character readily identifiable and (2) give the reader some idea about who the character is or what kind of abilities they have. The gypsy costume accomplishes both, which makes it a FAR better costume than the "Now" duster.
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The Scarlet Belly Dancer costume?•• I love George, but that costume so totally missed the center of Wanda's personality I have a hard time believing it's one of his. The most important thing about the Scarlet Witch is that she is DEMURE. Yes, like any other super-chick, she runs around in a skin-tight costume -- but a skin-tight costume that, as I note above, most closely resembles an old fashioned one-piece bathing suit. Plus, arms, legs, chest and shoulders are covered. AND, it's a costume that includes of voluminous cape that she often drapes around her. The "acres of skin" approach is just not right!
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"Anyone wants to know why super-hero costumes need to be
practical; that (Scarlet Witch's gypsy costume) is a prime example.
Yeah, she doesn't fight physically, but that costume couldn't be less
practical."
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What's impractical about it? I admit it seems a little skimpy for Wanda,
especially in the above drawing, but otherwise I see no reason that it
would be a hindrance in her duties. Maybe it does look like a "belly-
dancer" costume, but I've seen belly-dancers pull off some incredible
moves in those outfits.
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Super heroes fight everwhere. Even though her style of fighting isn't
like Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel, that costume has some many dangling
pieces of fabric she'd be caught on something if she tried to run
anywhere but in an open field/street. And there she would trip on
something. And so on.
I get that we ignore that capes are trip hazards, but this combines a
cape with a full length dress (or third of a dress).
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