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Rick Shepherd
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...and now I've got the fantastic (pun intended - sorry...) mental image of Johnny wearing a leather jacket over his costume, 'flaming on', and watching in horror as said jacket is burned to a cinder...
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I guess it was made of unstable molecules.
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i would SO hope that cover is done with a sense of Satire -- but somehow, i really doubt it.
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Superman's costume is timeless.
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It should be - and was, until this happened.



A costume so bad that not even George Perez could make it look good. And the worst part is - already now it looks like something that's going to be outdated by next year. Question is: will they revert back to the costume we all know (and love), or will they keep tweaking and redesigning?

I fear the latter - it seems to be the trend.
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And here's the new Earth 2 variant of Superman's costume. Better or worse? That S-shield makes my eyes hurt...


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First off, that Perez image, wow - I agree completely
Petter, not even George could save that - it's maybe the
first time ever I've looked at a Perez image and didn't
like it.

Re: the Earth 2 variant - enough with the crotch arrows!
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i would SO hope that [FANTASTIC FOUR] cover is done with a sense of Satire -- but somehow, i really doubt it.

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To this day, I still don't know!! I would cling to that notion, if I thought it was truly viable, but all I can really see is a bunch of middle aged writers and artists trying to be KEWL.

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A costume so bad that not even George Perez could make it look good. And the worst part is - already now it looks like something that's going to be outdated by next year. Question is: will they revert back to the costume we all know (and love), or will they keep tweaking and redesigning?

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Could they admit to their mistake, you mean?

Well, first we have to get really cynical. For quite some time now the undercurrent buzz has been that the whole "Nu52" event was nothing more than a stealth move to reclaim Superman. Change the character just enough that the Siegel and Shuster estates could not take back any more of him. Assume that to be true, and the REAL Superman is gone forever.

So watch instead for constant tweaking, and hope for the best. The "best" in this case meaning that perhaps something approaching LOGIC might sneak into the mix, and we won't have to wonder why Superman need knee pads and visible seams!

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 John Byrne wrote:
Which means, of course, that they are almost instantly out of date. Superman's costume is timeless. But the street-clothes influenced "costumes" reflect this week, and will be antique by next.

"Street" costumes that incorporate off-the-shelf items often work great. Catwoman is a great example. I never got into the character when she was dressed in a purple leotard with thigh-high waders. When DC started putting her in an outfit suitable for a burglar and street fighter -- starting with: off-the-shelf paratrooper or motorcycle boots instead of stilettos -- she really started clicking. Costume design has always helped to define character.

I think part of the creative statement here is that not ALL heroes would choose to dress garishly. Many would choose something simple and practical, as close to civilian reality as possible. Just as in any party, there are those who wear something simple and black and formal, and some who choose red sequins and a hat filled with ostrich feathers.

It also can reflect a character's choice to have a flexible working wardrobe. I admit that I rather liked the "Avengers jacket" that started showing up in the 90's. A familiar, practical, off-the-shelf civilian item that apparently was hanging in the closets of most members of the team. In each scene, an Avenger might wear it or they might not wear it, depending on their mood or the situation. It allowed the characters to have signature looks while still having a unifying team element.

Anyway. I think it's a positive trend, overall. Artists have been making "fashion, not style" errors since the Golden Age. The difference today is that thanks in part to advances in printing technology, there are fewer limitations to how an artist can choose to render a character and a scene. 

Huge mistakes will be made, of course, as some artists choose to ground a character's costume so closely to reality that they burn away all of the fantasy. But overall, it's a case of artists working with fewer restrictions. I'm all for it. 


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I think part of the creative statement here is that not ALL heroes would choose to dress garishly. Many would choose something simple and practical, as close to civilian reality as possible. Just as in any party, there are those who wear something simple and black and formal, and some who choose red sequins and a hat filled with ostrich feathers.

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How many parties do you attend that have superheroes at them? REAL superheroes? Real supervillains.

The costume is a cornerstone of superhero mythology. It could almost be described as the starting point. And as such, it is IMPORTANT to the mythology. The basic idea allows for a LOT of variation -- no one would likely ever mistake Spider-Man for Batman, or Iron Man for Green Lantern.

This is the first thing that begins to fray around the edges, with the "street" approach. Distinctive looks become harder to find amidst so many leather coats and combat boots.

(And if Catwoman looks "street" to you -- I want to live where you live!)

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To me... the best costume designs allow the artist to reveal as little of the character as possible n a panel.

That 52 Superman suit is identifiable as Superman only from the waist up.
The classic suit allowed an artist to draw a red boot and have the character identifiable as Superman.

I'm not sure current artists are considering this when they redesign costumes (Ditko, Kane, etc sure did).

Comparatively...Superman is getting off easy with kneepads and a lack of red pants... can anyone draw the current Ironman suit without looking at reference?

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(And if Catwoman looks "street" to you -- I want to live where you live!)

Come on up to Boston sometime. We're come a long way from the little Puritan fishing colony of 1630. :)

Incorporating "off the shelf" items to a costume often works great and helps to communicate character. And for some characters, complete street clothes is part of the statement of the who this person is and the choices they make.

That said: no, I don't want to see Batman fighting crime in cargo pants and a Tommy Bahama shirt! 


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