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Scott Morrissey
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Old School, Classic etc are just labels. Which are generalisations in regards to art, music or whatever. The word 'dated' would lead one back to 'classic' and 'old school'. I find it all rather derogatorive. I knock on the artist and those who appreciate their art be it a comic, music, film etc. Artists who have been around for decades always seem to be knocked by reviewers or sections of the general public. The old chestnut, the old stuff is better always seems to be used. Thinking someone such as David Bowie with this example. Seems to be an easy thing for a reviewer to say to fill their article. At least they should give thought out examples of why they don't like something and build their argument.
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Ronald Joseph
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"No school like the old school." - bystander in The Incredibles.
I've had my work referred to as "old school" because I draw (no pun intended) my influences from JB, Perez, the Romitas, the Buscemas, Kirby, etc.
I personally find "old school" to be a compliment of the highest order.
If JB's art is "dated" at all, it's only in the sense that it "dates" back to the time when comic books were amazing.
At least JB's still are.
Edited by Ronald Joseph on 06 July 2012 at 7:25pm
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Peter Martin
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Dated in the way that John Williams' film music is 'dated': it harkens back to a golden era, captures the spirit of past masters and, crucially, displays a mastery and understanding of the medium in question in a way that is extremley rare in more recent practitioners.
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Ronald Joseph
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Dated in the way that John Williams' film music is 'dated': it harkens back to a golden era, captures the spirit of past masters and, crucially, displays a mastery and understanding of the medium in question in a way that is extremley rare in more recent practitioners.
What he said.
:)
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Norman Hardy
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My art style is old school, too, and has been referred to as such many many times. I wouldn't change a thing.
I've heard people refer to Alan Davis's style as old school on his current work, and I'm fine with that, too. Everything Alan Davis does makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
And so does everything JB does.
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Ron Chevrier
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Well JB, from my point of view, ". . . his art is a little dated . . ." suggests a couple of things:
a) . . . he has a pretty solid command of things that don't really interest us, like anatomy, perspective, dramatic composition, backgrounds, making the characters look and act like they have (and are supposed to) for the last half-century or more.
b) . . . he doesn't put enough seams, pouches and unnecessary body armor all over his characters' outfits.
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Tim O Neill
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I always thought when people talked about "old school" comic books, they were referring to all-ages comic books. Which is exactly what a good comic book should be. The criticism to JB's work in this regard always struck me as more of a reflection of a shrinking manboys club than a valid artistic evaluation.
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Stephen Churay
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There's a style of art that finds it's way in how a lot artists from the
seventies and eighties draw. It's usually a blend of Adams and Kirby
with an artist's own variation coming thru. Other comic tools that are
no longer used also find there way into this style. Dramatic
foreshortening, speed lines, lines created by an impact and thought
balloons are all typical of this style. This is called old fashion by some.
Today's artist practice a much more detailed art with a greater sense
of design.
Personally, I think it's silly. Many artists today have such a limited
toolbox when it comes to technique that they try to display what they
can do. Some can do very clean lines work. But, don't ask them to
pick a light source and spot blacks. They'd rather leave it all open and
let the colorist earn his keep. Some can spot blacks, but can't really
handle panel to panel storytelling. Many of these modern comic artists
seem to have a grasp on a certain aspects of comic art but they
actually don't understand the language.
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Lars Sandmark
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Something important that I always try to remember when I read reviews and stuff on the internet is that people are dumb.
I'm not saying that I'm smarter than anyone, just that I'm not prepared to give anybody the benefit of a doubt when I read reviews of stuff I'm personally familiar with. I'm no expert but I know that donkeys poo outside...and internet comic reviewers do too.
or something like that.
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Bill Lancellotta
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Dated? No. Timeless? YES!
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Anthony J Lombardi
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I don't think your art is dated. I think the way you tell a story is dated. The was you do your page layouts are dated...
Let me be perfectly clear here. That is a great thing as far as I'm concerned and it should be for any self respecting comic fan. AS we all are aware much of the new comics are nothing but porfolio pieces and a bunch of pin ups. There isn't much storytelling displayed.
Goodness knows that you are very capable of doing the same thing. But you continue to do it the right way. You've never forgotten what comics are and how they're suppose to be done. So I don't care if anyone may say things like dated or retro and mean them in a negative way. You aren't stuck in your old ways not possessing the means to keep up with the times. You choose to do things a certain way.
Nothing about your work JB seems tired or outdated. You work is still relevant.
Edited by Anthony J Lombardi on 07 July 2012 at 12:22am
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Jeffery Tolbird
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Maybe it is an acronym? D.A.T.E.D.
Dynamic
Arousing
Timeless
Engaging
Definitive
Then if that's the case, you are a LOT D.A.T.E.D!!!
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