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Neil Brauer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 February 2012 Location: United States Posts: 714
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 8:41am | IP Logged | 1
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For decades Bucky was a symbol that not every character that died came back. When they did bring him back, it took that small tug at the back of your mind that "This may be it!" when a character died away. My opinion of course.
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Dave Phelps Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4184
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 8:42am | IP Logged | 2
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Shawn Kane: "His work on Captain America is very good but the whole Resurrection of Bucky/Death of Captain America/Bucky as Captain America storyline is the foundation of his run. I tend to like the other parts of the run much better." About a year ago, this comment would have me asking WHAT other parts? With the exception of a couple of crossover stories, his entire run seemed to be all about Bucky up until the post-movie series reboot. Since then he's gotten away from that, fortunately. Got me buying the book again, anyway. "Plus by bringing Bucky back, he has aged the Black Widow since she had a connection with him during the Cold War. Yet another character that needs the Infinity Formula." In Brubaker's defense, all of that predated him. (First introduced when Black Widow was teamed up with Daredevil, then "solidified" as an actual tie rather than topical reference in X-Men #268 or thereabouts.) "Even though he has an interesting story and look, the Winter Soldier is a character that didn't have to be James Buchanan Barnes." I agree completely. If Brubaker wanted to use an actual GA character, he could have easily used one of the "imitation" Captain Americas or Buckies that floated around back then (see various GA Marvel Masterworks volumes) with the same end result. Plenty of emotional resonance available without having to play the "Bucky is Back!!!" card and screwing with a classic Marvel moment. (And it's annoying how silly it makes the "lost Bucky" recap. We go from "Bucky died" to "Bucky got seriously hurt and then retrieved by the Russians, brainwashed and sent out as an assassin periodically and then frozen between jobs." Messy, messy, messy.)
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Erin Anna Leach Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 February 2006 Location: United States Posts: 746
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 3
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I honestly don't get why these writers thought that they needed to write the stories they did, and change the characters the way they did. I look around at what is happening in the world today, and I see a multitude of stories that could be written for the Marvel Characters. The great part is that they would all use the chracters as they were in the 70's and 80's. The characters were already great as they were, or as we said in the Army " If it isn't broke, don't fix it. you will only F*** it up. " Here are a set of words that really piss me off. When i talk to writers about writing say Thor over at Marvel and they say " Well I would have to make some changes to even make that character work for me so I could write it. " I have the same thought every time I hear this, ok two thoughts. Thought number one is to kick them in the jimmy. My second thought is to say " Why? Is your imagination so small and your ego so big that you just can't play by the rules? "
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Robbie Moubert Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1495
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:05am | IP Logged | 4
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Having not read the title for years, I picked up the recent issues drawn by Alan Davis. The story was enjoyable enough but there didn't seem to be anything particularly new in there; Machinesmith, Arnim Zola, Madbombs. It looked great though!
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 5
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That's a really good comparison, Neil.
By the way, correct me if I'm wrong, but there are certain non-superhero franchises where writers don't feel the need to tamper with the past. I haven't read modern versions, but whenever I picked up a He-Man or Thuundercats comic, no-one seemed obsessed with tampering with the past, adding to origins, the whole "all you know is a lie" mindset, etc. That was years ago, but it just seems that, with He-Man and Thundercats - along with other franchises - writers just wanted to tell good stories and not pick apart origins or anything like that.
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Neil Brauer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 February 2012 Location: United States Posts: 714
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 6
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These stunts like bringing Bucky back or the of killing Johnny Storm etc. are the height of creative laziness. It's the equvalent of the writers of a sitcom having a character in every scene cut a three octave fart.
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Erin Anna Leach Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:18am | IP Logged | 7
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It's the equvalent of the writers of a sitcom having a character in every scene cut a three octave fart. ** LOL!!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:38am | IP Logged | 8
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I honestly don't get why these writers thought that they needed to write the stories they did, and change the characters the way they did.•• I call it "MAN OF STEEL Syndrome". And usually it walks hand in hand with "Death of Phoenix Syndrome". Such long shadows were cast by both of those "events" that far too many writers want to create their own versions -- reboots every time a new creative team is assigned to a project, for instance. What is invariably missed is all the time, thought and effort that laid the groundwork for both those projects. Neither happened overnight, or on a whim.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12715
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 11:05am | IP Logged | 9
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One day it occurred to me that Magneto might actually be the FATHER of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.
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Perfection.
The complete opposite?
When it occurred to Chris Claremont that Magneto might actually be a Jewish Holocaust survivor.
The nadir....
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Eric Smearman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 02 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 5823
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 10
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."I've heard good things about Brubaker's work..."
His creator-owned stuff (his CRIMINAL series in particular) is fantastic!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 11:48am | IP Logged | 11
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One day it occurred to me that Magneto might actually be the FATHER of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.*** Perfection. The complete opposite? When it occurred to Chris Claremont that Magneto might actually be a Jewish Holocaust survivor. The nadir.... •• As I recall, Chris originally wanted Magneto to be a Gypsy, but someone pointed out that Doctor Doom already had that territory staked out. The biggest problem with the "reveal" of Magneto as a Holocaust survivor was that, unlike my idea that he was Wanda and Pietro's father, it CONTRADICTED what we already knew. Oh, sure, it could be argued -- as many fans do -- that it was never explicitly stated that he WASN'T a Holocaust survivor, but that's a most slippery slope upon which to place one's convictions. (It has never been explicitly stated that he doesn't sodomize puppies, either.) Thing was, if Stan and Jack (both Jewish, and both products of the Greatest Generation) had wanted Magneto to be Jewish, I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned it!
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | 12
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I suspect somehow that your having previously decided to make Kitty Pryde openly Jewish was ultimately taken to be serendipitous vis-a-vis this scene:
By the way, has Magneto since the 80s been functionally immortal, given that the era of WW2 keeps moving farther and farther into the past?
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