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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 1
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There's something to be said for smart and skillful useage of femmes fatales, but the modern comicbook female has tended toward something very one note -- and not an exaggeration of real life, but more an exaggeration opf pre-existing comic book styles.
This is comic art based on real life:
This is both sexy and retains its classiness:
And I don't need to post a picture of the floss-wearing stuff that JB talks about, but it is sorely lacking in both class and real-life observation.
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 9154
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 8:39pm | IP Logged | 2
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Toth was a master of drawing sexy AND classy women-
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4560
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 3
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I'm completely in the camps of the Alex Toth's, Garcia Lopez's and Neal Adams. Classy sexy trumps trampy any day of the week.
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Steve Ogden Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1263
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | 4
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When this kind of topic comes up I immediately think of the the Black Widow and how she is portrayed today compared to Tales of Suspense #52. But, she really could be interchanged with a number of characters. Here we have her first and early appearances. With that we have beauty, style and grace..especially drawn by Don Heck: There is not too much of that left anymore.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 11:18pm | IP Logged | 5
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JB: CGI can show us things Jack Kirby could only imagine.
But is that really a reason to "go small"?
=== Nope, they should try and go bigger. The comic stories I enjoy are the ones that Hollywood is afraid to touch because either it's "too outside there realm of realism" or too expensive to put it on the screen.
I'm STILL waiting for an FF movie to give me Galactus.
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Dana Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 187
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 12:43am | IP Logged | 6
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JB's Alpha Flight female characters come to mind as being appropriately dressed, like Aurora and Snowbird...I guess even Marrina too, since she was an aquatic hero who has tougher-than-human skin (IIRC). Both Aurora and Snowbird wore full-body costumes. Of course, Aurora later switches to the more revealing yellow outfit, but that totally fits her character...It was a very Aurora thing to do.
Heroines who aren't invulnerable to some extent should not wear skimpy outfits, though. She-Hulk wearing less is understandable...Storm, not so much. Tigra's skimpy outfit makes sense (and Beast when he's furry, if you think about it) to a degree as she is covered with fur. I can't imagine wearing clothing over fur is very comfortable.
Edited by Dana Smith on 03 March 2012 at 12:44am
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Fritz Short Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 October 2006 Location: Uzbekistan Posts: 147
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 1:26am | IP Logged | 7
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This is the reason I'll reread older books I have and just look at new ones but not buy.Although I'll admit to lingering a bit with Adam Hughes art.
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 06 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 10461
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 7:40am | IP Logged | 8
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As an aside, I think modern comics out of the big two have lost a sense of scope as well. Used to be that they were a way to explore, a way to see things that lived only in your imagination with stories that felt bigger than life. As a kid, I tried to escape what I thought were mundane adult conversations to live, if only for a time, in the world of comic books. Now? It seems that all the characters do is talk. The action has become secondary to the discussion about the action. How very boring. *** Well said, Matt. That is one (of many) reasons I avoid current Marvel and DC. Stories have gotten both smaller and unneccesarily longer, as if they can't come up with the scope they used to, and are so starved for ideas that each idea must be stretched out to the maximum possible length. Jack Kirby did the Galactus story in three issues. It would probably take a year today...except for the fact that I don't think many of today's writers could come up with a story like that! The first time in my life I ever actually tore a comic book in half and chucked it in the trash was several years ago when I picked up an issue of Justice League and found 22 pages of standing around talking! The JLA, a title designed to be THE superhero team book, including some of the greatest characters in comics, and there's no action!
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Keith Thomas Byrne Robotics Member
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Sex sells and todays audience for comics needs stripper/superheroines to sell. Why would the comic companies higher someone who doesn't draw women that way?
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 10:18am | IP Logged | 10
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I hate how teams only fight like 1 villain these days and it takes them forever to gang up on that one person. It's like it's budget conscious you know like in cartoons where they'd beat up alot of "grunts" to fill up time because you can just instance them or idk.
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | 11
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Keith: Sex sells and todays audience for comics needs stripper/superheroines to sell. Why would the comic companies higher someone who doesn't draw women that way?
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Sex isn't the ONLY way to sell things. Why does "today's audience" need stripper comics when there is a sh*t ton of porn on the internet?
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Trevor Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 3549
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | 12
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"Why does "today's audience" need stripper comics when there is a sh*t ton of porn on the internet?"
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BINGO! Give superhero books back to the kids (by making them all-ages accessible, NOT by making them "kiddy books"), and let the (supposed) grown-ups go download their spank material.
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