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For years I have complained that one of the main things missing from modern comics (and something "Silver Age" Marvel had in abundance) is GRANDEUR. Very few stories feel BIG any more, in the way Stan and Jack used to make even "small" stories seem BIC.

But there's something else, too. ELEGANCE. I look at all these boob-thrusting, hip-cocking, floss-wearing characters that populate comics these days, and I wonder if the artists have (a) ever seen a real woman, and (b) ever seen a real woman who did not dress strictly out of the Frederick's of Hollywood catalog.

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I wonder if the artists have (a) ever seen a real woman

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I sometimes suspect that some people's entire frame of reference and knowledge comes from comic books.  Rather than drawing women based on real life women, they're based on other comic book drawings -- almost like a caricature of a caricature.

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One of the things I LOVED about JBNM -- all of the women had distinctive silhouettes.


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Books like this do not help anything


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Frederick's of Hollywood catalogue? JB you are being too kind, more like out
of a porn movie or magazine. This article is somewhat related and covers my
other pet peeve character poses.

She has no head

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Part of the problem is the title "How to Draw Great-Looking Comic Book Women."

Should be "How to Draw Women."  Period.

 

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I find the same thing on eBay when I'm looking at art for sale. Half of what is listed seems to be fan(wank) art.  Is that really what we're looking for out of comics?  Bunch of twisted little monkeys out there.
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...the second image I posted looks like a bunch of strippers. 
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Poor Diana.  Ouch.  That's going to cause some kind of infection for sure. 
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I think I know what you mean. Kirby's stuff comes to mind as well as John Buscema on Silver Surfer.

I believe the grandeur came in part from the skillful leveraging of the strengths inherent in the medium. Much of todays comics looks like motion picture breakdowns to me. I remember a single Eisner panel of a truck in motion with flapping canopy, near impossible angle, etc, etc, etc that conveyed the equivalent of 2 minutes of motion picture time.

Then, there is also the characterization. The Marvel gave gave us bigger-than life characters, not just people who won the superhero power lottery. Sure they were neurotic but they didn't wallow in their frailties.

Sue Storm didn't actually have sex with Namor, she heroically fought her impulses. Today, that would be cornay as hell, the Twilight Saga notwithstanding.

But the biggest difference is the loss of the sense of wonderment. I see that still in Spielberg films, that innocent suspension of disbelief that enables us to see the world with the fresh eyes of a child.

Imposing the eyes of a pessismistic adult, in the grip of ennui, would have made it impossible for Captain America to defeat a Cosmic-Cube wiielding Red Skull.

I submit to you that, that is the same outlook with which to enjoy Romeo & Juliet or Hamlet.

By today's standards, Hamlet would not have hesitated. He would have put a cap in his uncle's ass as soon as the spook of his father has spilled the beans. Forget that Conscience of the King ringamarole.

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Nathan:  "One of the things I LOVED about JBNM -- all of the women had distinctive silhouettes."

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I never thought about that - it is so true!

JB's take on women has always been strong.  Sue Storm meant less than nothing to me until JB's run, and then she became an instant favorite in only a few issues.  She was hot!  And the way she was depicted as strong willed and smart made her the definitive Sue to me.






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