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Paulo Pereira
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Shawn wrote:
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Well, at least he didn't make any of them Avengers...yet.
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Shawn Kane
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Not yet but maybe Sasquatch will be at a Dunkin' Donuts and Wolverine is out picking up breakfast for the team and they'll spend the next five pages talking about some secret thing that never happened (soon to be covered in an Avengers mini) and by the end Sasquatch will be in the Negative Zone with the team. Talking and quipping, of course.
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Tim O Neill
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Dave K: "And it hasn't dated as a read! If ever there were a self-contained title/run that can be re-experienced in comics, it's that."
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I agree with your whole post, Dave - very well said. In particular, I agree that it holds up really well today.
I know the first trade is hard to come by, so here's hoping there is an ESSENTIALS or OMNIBUS in the works.
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Wallace Sellars
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I like the way JB focused on individual members of Alpha Flight, only
bringing the entire team together when there was a threat requiring them
to... ummm... assemble.
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Steven McCauley
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As I've said before -- I loved the team book that allowed the team members to have their own adventures. So unique in that aspect.
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Peter Martin
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Alpha Flight had a very different feel to other Marvel books. It had a dark sci-fi/horror undertone that would occasionally bubble up into being overt.
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John Byrne
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…you had a little person hero who kicked butt, a disabled hero, an important hero dying very unexpectedly…•• All three of which were almost immediately undone the moment I left the book.
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Brian Miller
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Well, obviously you created them wrong, JB.
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John Byrne
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Well, obviously you created them wrong, JB.•• Perhaps I did! On ALPHA FLIGHT I tried to continue what I saw as Marvel's legacy of characters who were misfits and loners. Yet, almost overnight, the characters were forced into "normal" mode.
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Chris Basken
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I've been a lurker here for a while, but this thread prompted me to register. Of course, by the time I could post, a number of people said what I intended to say.
I'd like to add that the original AF was also an effective deconstruction and reconstruction of the super team concept. A lot of deconstructions are poorly done -- many writers seem to think "deconstruction" means "make violent and sexy." But a true deconstruction is an attempt to understand why something works, and ground it in reality a bit more than it had been. Stan Lee did this when he created the FF -- it was a deconstruction of super heroes. But, as with AF, it was followed by a reconstruction that resulted in a new way of looking at it.
I also think JB's dispassion for those characters actually worked in their favor. Since none of them (perhaps except Heather) were particularly beloved, he could put them through the wringer. And since they were relatively new creations, the fans couldn't object to him messing up someone else's canon.
What I wouldn't give for a 1-28 AF trade...
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Vinny Valenti
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There was definitely a "flying by the seat of your pants" feeling when it came to JB's AF run, with the feeling that anything can happen (hey, if you the team leader can be killed, then anyone can!). It was JB's own private corner of the Marvel Universe (until the final issue with the Beyonder's interference, anyway).
JB - It must have at least been a bit liberating that there wasn't much of a chance of editorial interference, no? I'm pretty sure they would not have let you blow up the Earth...but they might have actually let you blow up Canada if you wanted to!
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Tim O Neill
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Chris B: "I'd like to add that the original AF was also an effective deconstruction and reconstruction of the super team concept. A lot of deconstructions are poorly done -- many writers seem to think "deconstruction" means "make violent and sexy." But a true deconstruction is an attempt to understand why something works, and ground it in reality a bit more than it had been. Stan Lee did this when he created the FF -- it was a deconstruction of super heroes. But, as with AF, it was followed by a reconstruction that resulted in a new way of looking at it."
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I very much agree with this - and I never thought about it in these terms. Very interesting!
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