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Philippe Pinoli
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Well, let's go (forgive me, I don't know DC as well as Marvel) :
Human sized (as I can't rank Galactus or giants like that) :
Marvel, per class of strength :
A class of his own :
Hulk (madder, stonger stuff...and JB's specialisation rule)
God's class :
Nefaria
Thor
Hercules
Silver Surfer
Heavyweights :
Wonderman
Thing
Sasquatch
Colossus
Juggernaut
Gladiator
Iron-Man (average level)
Abomination
Middleweights :
Spider-Man
Rhino
Hyde
Beast
Kingpin (though should be below)
Blob (JB's)
Humans athletes
DD
Wolverine
etc...
Liked the 100tons, 80tons etc...classes of OHOTMU
I place Superman, Wonder-Woman, Captain Marvel and Darkseid in Heavyweight class.
I believe Martian Manhunter has too many powers to need this level of strength !
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Paulo Pereira
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Philippe, a good case can be made for both Juggernaut and Sasquatch being in "God Class" since both were empowered by gods.
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James Elliott
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Couldn't the sliver age Superman move planets? Couldn't he build planets? I recall an issue of World's Finest from the late 1970's or early 1980's in which Superman and Batman return from a space mission and (mistakenly) find that the Earth has been destroyed. Superman then sets about building a new Earth and does so in just a few pages; there's one panel where he inhales a new atmosphere from a nearby gas giant and then exhales it onto the new Earth. Of course, I could be mistaken and that could be an imaginary story.
Either way, the silver age Superman would seem to be the strongest hero. At least until the DC Comics Presents volume 1, number 29 where the Spectre tells Superman that his mightiest blows are but snowflakes to the Spectre.
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Brian Miller
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Either way, the silver age Superman would seem to be the strongest hero. **************** What if he Super-pissed off the Hulk, tho?
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Matt Reed
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Not big on creating lists like these. Just never been my thing. That said, if I was I couldn't include Sentry on the list because of an origin that inserts him into the beginnings of the MU. There's standing on the shoulders of giants and then there's shoehorning a character into continuity to ride coattail on all that comes after. Blech.
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Paulo Pereira
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My reaction precisely. It's hard to find anything to like about "nuMarvel" and Sentry's close to the top the list of things to dislike.
As for strength levels, that used to be one of the most exciting things about superhero comics to me. Now, it seems to be about a game of one-upmanship, it wasn't before. "Your guy lifted a tanker? Fine, my guy will juggle pyramids!" Blah.
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Robert White
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The thing about "planet moving" Superman is that we are to assume that the regular DC universe (not magical dimensions and the like) works under the same laws of physics as our own. That being said, Superman would have to be employing high level telekinesis, reality manipulation, cosmic energy, whatever, to achieve the feat of moving planets. Physical strength, even coupled with the ability to fly in space, regardless of the level of those abilities, aren't sufficient to achieve such a task.
IF we are then told that the Silver Age DC universe DID NOT work under the normal laws of physics, then this would lead to the conclusion that many other superheroes, including Marvel heroes with similar powers, could achieve the same feats in that environment.
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Rick Senger
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Superman
Hyperion
Sentry
Aquarian
Mr. Majestic
Bizarro
Super-Soldier
Apollo
Gladiator
Superduperman
*****
Apparently I'm way behind...
I think I recall Aquarian as a long red-haired hippie-robed guy from Marvel Two-In-One from the late 70s, but he was not that powerful? Sentry I'm not sure about (I know Sentry 459?), Hyperion definitely don't know, nor Mr. Majestic nor Super-Soldier (unless that's some new name for Cap, but since when is he top ten powerful?), nor Apollo. In my old school I always thought Thor and Hulk were right up there but they don't seem to be on many people's lists. I guess I need to brush up!
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Robert White
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Some people automatically assume that Superman, and any of his buff, cape wearing clones, are stronger by default. The Hulk should be tops on every ones list, DC included, and even if you don't like him!
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Wallace Sellars
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Robert, that's how it SHOULD be, but...
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Chad Carter
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I disqualified the Hulk as "strongest" using Kirby's early version as the template. The "angrier/stronger" thing with the Hulk has been so twisted that it's a deus ex machina for every Hulk story. But the Kirby Hulk had finite strength and finite healing and pretty clear limits. I think Hercules was supposed to have been depowered at some point, but in general I think Herc's just as strong as Thor. I probably shouldn't have Wonder Woman stronger than Hercules, but I gave her the edge because she (used to be) a direct gift from the Gods, a golem, while Herc's half-human. I gave the edge to the "perfect" woman rather than the man-god, but it's basically an equal footing. I forgot about Orion, but Orion was never meant to be a DC "hero" per se. He's a Kirby icon, not so much an integrated part of the DCU. That'll be my excuse. Same for Big Barda.
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Eric Smearman
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I know JB depicted Wonder Woman as second only to Superman in
the DCU but I always saw her as being on a Namor or Thing level of
strength. Surely that's nothing to sneeze at.
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